On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 12:35:58 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/14/2014 11:56 AM, thumper wrote:
On 2/13/2014 5:32 PM, KC wrote:

Then the whole day was wasted comparing apples to oranges..

It's not the first time.

Dry pavement, no sliding or skidding...

Consider a long sweeping curve that had a minor slalom course within it.
The turn would be initiated by a slight counter steer to initiate the
lean then each minor correction to follow the slalom requires a
corresponding counter-steering force to modulate the lean. You don't
see it in the handlebar/front tire angle.


Exactly, and I *thought* John was saying it was the steering angle
compared to the centerline of the bike...

And for Gods sake, I emphasized the word "thought" so somebody can stop
complaining about "putting words in mouth"...

Thank you. I don't think I ever used the words 'steering angle' or 'compared to the center of the
bike'. That's what I meant about getting confused when trying to say what someone said using your
own words. Of course, you could have read the Wikipedia article if you were confused.