On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 11:13:43 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/14/2014 10:59 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/14/2014 10:53 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/14/2014 10:44 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/14/2014 10:27 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/14/2014 10:06 AM, HanK wrote:
On 2/14/2014 9:30 AM, KC wrote:
Yup, counter steer, then steer, then countersteer again.... got it...
but not "through the corner".. your own pics are clear.... thanks....

I hope you can remember all that in the middle of a critical turn.

Don't have to, haven't you been reading. If the bike turns, you are
doing it... no other way around it...


The goal is to make it turn in the direction and manner that you *want*
it to turn. :-)

I am not questioning anything you are saying as it relates to dirt bike
racing. It's a unique form of riding and you do things that us street
bikers don't do .. at least not on purpose. We don't go airborne, we
don't try to plant a new direction of travel upon landing, we don't
slide around corners or do any of the other maneuvers you are skilled in
doing. I couldn't do a wheelie on a Harley UltraClassic if I tried.

None of them apply to the millions of people riding street bikes on
roads and highways.

That's a red herring... There are plenty of turns we make just like you.
You didn't answer my question though...

You are saying countersteering is not related to the angle of the bars
in relation to the centerline of the bike, you are saying
countersteering is related to the pressure applied against the plane
formed by the gyroscopic pressures on the bike? Right?


I am saying that a degree of counter-steering pressure is required to
keep the front and rear wheels pretty much in line while navigating the
turn. Why is that so hard to understand?

Exactly what I am saying.. why can't you understand? Yes, a degree of
pressure on the inside bar, I get it.. Always did, the problem was in
what I assumed to be your definition of countersteering, it was ****ing
semantics alone, why can't you understand that?

If your whole problem in understanding the technique of counter steering was semantics, why didn't
you just read the Wikipedia explanation, or any of the million other hits, or watch the YouTube
videos?

Like I said earlier,

You can go back and read what we've said. Or you can google it. Either way you'll learn what counter
steering is all about.

When you try to say what we're saying, you get confused and/or put words in our mouths.