On 2/14/2014 9:30 AM, KC wrote:

On 2/14/2014 7:48 AM, Poco Loco wrote:


Scotty, I spent a good part of yesterday trying to explain to you what
really happens when you turn
a motorcycle. You chose not to believe it, came up with ridiculous
'arguments', put up a picture of
a dirt bike in a slide, argued against Wikipedia, expert rider videos,
and a Motorcycle Safety
Instructor. Then you started putting bull**** words in my mouth and
comparing me to Harry and Kevin.
After trying to keep a level head, I gave up. That's when I said I'd
just made up the whole thing.
By looking at Google, Wikipedia, videos, etc, you should have realized
I was bull****ting when I
said I made it all up. But I'm thinking that was the only thing you
took seriously.

OK, here's the real poop. Steering a motorcycle at more that 'parking
lot' speeds is done using a
technique called counter steering. The technique is called 'counter
steering' because it is
'counter' to the way we learned how to turn a tricycle. On a
motorcycle, we push left to go left,
and push right to go right, as was explained in numerous videos,
Wikipedia, and over a million hits
in Google if you plug in 'counter steering a motorcycle'.

Here are some nice pictures explaining the technique:

http://www.motorcycletraining.com/wo...eering-pic.jpg


Established that yesterday. Motorcycle countersteers, corrects, and
steers through the turn... got it...

http://xbhp.com/ridesafe/images/coun...ersteering.jpg

The process through a curve::

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...cornerbike.gif


Yup, counter steer, then steer, then countersteer again.... got it...
but not "through the corner".. your own pics are clear.... thanks....


I swore I wouldn't get involved in this anymore, but I have to point out
something.

Scott, that "gif" image showing the proper way to take a turn is
deceiving and not really telling the whole story.

It shows a section where you counter-steer to enter and begin the turn.
Based on the diagram, you might interpret that you *stop* the
counter-steer while in the turn. That's what is deceiving about the
diagram.

The amount of counter-steer is actually maintained throughout the turn
because the forces on the bike and rider remain constant throughout. It
*has* to, otherwise you won't completely navigate the turn.

However .. if the rear wheel breaks free and aligns with the direction
the bike is traveling, the previously established counter-steer
requirement will be nullified. You may have to re-establish
counter-steer again however to complete the rest of the turn.

The pictures you keep referencing are worthless. Where you see pressure
on the handlebars in one direction, I see it opposite.
The amount of counter-steer is so subtle, you really can't clearly see
what is going on.