On 2/14/2014 7:48 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 06:41:28 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/14/2014 1:17 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 19:37:24 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Ok. Whatever you say. I quit. Not worth the effort anymore.

and overdue. I think most of us know a gyro precesses 90 degrees to
the force in the direction of rotation. try to push the left side of
the axle forward, it will move down.


Wow, no ****.... But still, I showed several bikes turning left, wheels
turned left.... And at least I didn't spend my day just ****ing with
someone here. Thought I was helping someone, but finally figured more
than one is here just to play....

Scotty, I spent a good part of yesterday trying to explain to you what really happens when you turn
a motorcycle. You chose not to believe it, came up with ridiculous 'arguments', put up a picture of
a dirt bike in a slide, argued against Wikipedia, expert rider videos, and a Motorcycle Safety
Instructor. Then you started putting bull**** words in my mouth and comparing me to Harry and Kevin.
After trying to keep a level head, I gave up. That's when I said I'd just made up the whole thing.
By looking at Google, Wikipedia, videos, etc, you should have realized I was bull****ting when I
said I made it all up. But I'm thinking that was the only thing you took seriously.

OK, here's the real poop. Steering a motorcycle at more that 'parking lot' speeds is done using a
technique called counter steering. The technique is called 'counter steering' because it is
'counter' to the way we learned how to turn a tricycle. On a motorcycle, we push left to go left,
and push right to go right, as was explained in numerous videos, Wikipedia, and over a million hits
in Google if you plug in 'counter steering a motorcycle'.

Here are some nice pictures explaining the technique:

http://www.motorcycletraining.com/wo...eering-pic.jpg

Established that yesterday. Motorcycle countersteers, corrects, and
steers through the turn... got it...

http://xbhp.com/ridesafe/images/coun...ersteering.jpg

The process through a curve::

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...cornerbike.gif

Yup, counter steer, then steer, then countersteer again.... got it...
but not "through the corner".. your own pics are clear.... thanks....

To really see what counter steering is doing, use the technique *without* letting your body lean.
Just keep your upper body vertical, push the left bar, and the bike will lean left and turn
*without* a body lean. Getting good at this will let you quickly swerve to miss an obstacle in your
lane, and swerve back so you stay in your lane.

Here is another great use for counter steering. (Luddite, if you're reading, you may be able to use
this also.)

Very often I see riders coming to a stop with both feet down, sliding on the ground, because they
don't know which way the bike will lean when it finally stops. I call it a 'four point landing'. A
sure-fire way of knowing which way the bike will lean is to give the left handlebar a little push -
just before the bike completely stops. This will cause the bike to lean left a bit just as it stops,
and you put your left foot down as you stop. That way you can continue to use your foot brake as you
are stopping. I call that the 'three point landing'.