On 2/13/2014 6:13 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/13/2014 5:16 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 17:10:43 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/13/2014 5:02 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 16:37:10 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/13/2014 4:04 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 15:29:25 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/13/2014 12:16 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 10:20:32 -0500, KC
wrote:

On 2/13/2014 10:13 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 8:17 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 23:39:23 -0500, KC
wrote:

On 2/12/2014 11:22 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/12/2014 8:13 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 19:14:08 -0500, KC
wrote:




https://www.google.com/search?q=gpx+corner&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=x ev7Upn5IoSMqQGT-IGgBA&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAg&biw=1366&bih=667#q=motorcycl e+corner&tbm=isch




nd the rear tire is tracking inside
the track of the front tire..

There may be a couple exceptions such as corners that are
too
sharp for
normal tracking... Again, those tracks are made for
drifting/countersteering so they will be faster in that
mode..

All of 'em.



https://www.google.com/search?q=gpx+corner&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=x ev7Upn5IoSMqQGT-IGgBA&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAg&biw=1366&bih=667#q=motorcycl e+corner&tbm=isch



Please John, end the madness... Take a second and go to the
link above
and post a quick link of the motorcycle you see in the first
say, half
of the page where the front wheel is turned away from the
radius and the
rear tire is tracking outside the front tire radius... or what
you call
countersteering. You said all of 'em. Apparently you don't know
what
countersteering really is....

I've already answered it. They got to where they are by
countersteering. They are staying in the
turn because they are pushing on the handlebar corresponding to
the direction of the turn. Push
left, go left. Push right, go right.

Here, now you look at something.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivwZ_DEFHrc


No question there... I had that save my ass on my CB500 Twin which
supposedly had a "Triumph" style front end. I hit a huge chunk of
frozen
slush and it kicked my tire out so I got loose, and let the thing
swing
back and fourth till it stood itself back up, I pulled over and
cleaned
my pants out... literally...

I understand the technique completely, no issue there I have a high
level of what they call three dimensional comprehension... I
actually
see the forces of water and gyros, etc in my head when I design,
I used
to see how water would work around boat hulls when I drew them
and where
the drag would be etc... Put it in the computer and it was right,
used
to talk about it a lot with my engineer bud in Gloucester...

Anyway, to countersteering (which I believe in

It's not a question of belief, It's what is.

My only point is I
"can" initiate a turn without countersteering by meerely shifting my
weight before initiating the turn.

Very often it seems like a lean is initiating the turn, but in
reality it's the pressure you're
putting on the handlebar when you lean. For example, if I don't
exert any pressure on the handlebar,
I can lean over and pull my pants leg down without making a turn.
Have you never done that? Oh, I
suppose you could lean enough to change lanes on the highway, but
you'd not want to try taking any
sharp curves that way.

At the same time I also understand
that in the emergency situation when you don't have time to set
up, the
countersteer is the only way to start the turn... You see, I get
it, but
still like the guy in your vid said... "The countersteer
initiates the
turn, but the gyro effect immediately corrects it"...

The gyro effect immediately brings the bike back up - if the
countersteering is stopped - i.e., no
more pressure on the handle bar. If the pushing on the bar is
continued, the bike will lean more and
turn more sharply.

or you would
really be on the pavement... If you are countersteering through the
corner (over riding the natural "steering force" tendency to
"correct"),
you are sliding the back tire sideways and scrubbing off speed....

Totally wrong. If your speed is too fast for the turn, *then* you
may slide the rear tire. The force
on the handlebar (the countersteering force) is continued until
you are ready to straigten up and
come out of the turn. Then the push is relaxed and the bike
corrects itself - comes back to the
vertical.

Sliding at speed is *not* the way to turn corners.


I get it but how can you counter steer "through a corner"? None of the
bikes in my link have the bars turned away from the radius... The only
bikes I know that "counter steer" though a corner are these types of
bikes that run on ice and dirt. If you skip to the 1:05 minute mark
and
watch this corner, you will see motorcycles counter steering
"through" a
corner. As we determined earlier. The front wheel is turned "away"
from
the radius of the turn, and the rear tire is sliding in a radius
outside
the radius of the front tire...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqUnhTpbtSM



... as opposed to these guys who are clearly *not* counter steering
"through" a corner... as very clear if you skip to the 2 minute
mark and
watch the yellow bike on the right of the frame... It's front tire is
turned into the radius, and the rear tire is not sliding sideways, but
tracking forward in the direction of the turn, ideally slightly inside
the radius of the front tire... this bike is "steering" not counter
steering... as in the video of the flat trackers above...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjSXehuADx4


Period...

You're right. I made all that **** up.


Here, listen to someone but me....

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...3163009AAapJ8R


Firestormer knows what he's talking about. Scooter doesn't have a
friggin' clue. I assume you agree
with Scooter.

Adios. I've just been pulling your leg all this time. There's no such
thing as counter steering.
Next time you're hitting the tight curves, just take your hands off
the bars and lean.


LOL He'll go off the road at a slight angle, but still going straight
ahead.



LOL, next time you are going down the road let go and lean left without
touching the bars at all and tell me which way you go...