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Califbill

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/8/2014 7:57 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/8/2014 2:48 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/8/2014 10:27 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/8/14, 7:47 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 07 Feb 2014 19:56:36 -0500, KC wrote:

On 2/7/2014 3:41 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 07 Feb 2014 14:28:19 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

That's not the problem. The problem is with much more dangerous and
addictive opiates.

The most pervasive opiates these days come from doctors and drug
companies

They say you can get addicted by doing one oxy... I have seen it, it's a
fact...

That could be, if the person gets a little buzz, likes it, and keeps
taking it. I've had both the
oxy's contin and codone recently. If actually taken for the pain,
there isn't a 'high' that goes
along with it, just a reduction in pain. I think if a person is
feeling a 'high', then either they
don't need the pain killer, or they're taking more than necessary.

It appears as if you are trying to extrapolate universal truths from
your limited, individual experiences with painkillers. Perhaps *you*
didn't feel a "high," or perhaps your "high" was masked by pain, or
perhaps not. But for you to state that if a person is feeling a "high"
from taking a pain killer, then they don't need the painkiller or that
they are taking more than necessary, has little if any basis in science.

I took one oxycontin pill following oral surgery. The next morning I
flushed the rest of them down the toilet. I was in some degree of pain
but I sure didn't like the spaced out feeling that one little pill gave
me. I am not exactly a small person either.

Do not flush drugs down the toilet! Take to the police station or other
drug drop off points. Contaminates the water supply. How much of this
girls having periods at 9 years old, or even the ADD from the estrogens and
other crap in the water.

Never thought of that. But I really wonder how much 9 pills flushed into
a 2500 gallon holding tank and then eventually leached into a leaching
field can contaminate the water supply. If it does, the whole concept
of a septic system is questionable to start with.

It is actually a major problem in a lot of places. Do not know how much
from a septic system gets in to the water supply. The drugs seem to not be
filtered out even in municipal water systems. And those 6 drugs multiplied
by 300+ million consumers is a lot of drugs.

I was curious, so I looked up the recommended procedures for disposal of
expired or unused drugs.

You are correct. In general, the Federal guidelines recommend *not*
flushing down the toilet most medicines and drugs and recommend mixing
them with undesirable items in the household trash instead. However,
there is a list of some drugs that they *do* recommend flushing down the
toilet. Opiates like morphine and specifically oxycontin are on that
list. The reason is to further reduce the chance of unauthorized retrieval and use.

These recommendations seem to be focused more on areas with municipal
waste treatment plants and not private septic systems.

Stil doesn't make any sense to me however. If the drugs end up in
landfills, waste treatment centers or private septic systems, they still
can theoretically contaminate ground water.

BTW ... a private well used for drinking water only has to be 100 feet
from a leaching field in most states.

We have hazardous waste collection centers, and lots of pharmacies in Calif
accept drugs for disposal. I would be more worried about drugs and
chemicals migrating to the well from the leach field, than any normal
organic matter. We have a problem in Livermore, next city over, with some
wells had to be shut down as Tritium from the LLNL contaminating them.