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On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 10:48:41 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
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On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 08:48:58 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
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On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 07:41:22 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

The Pilgrims weren't the "Founding Fathers".

They were "Flounder Fathers".

Sure they were founding fathers. What would make you think they weren't?
Is there some written classification regarding what is considered
founding fathers, or who gets to make that judgment?

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The pilgrims were here almost 150 years before the declaration of
independence, revolutionary war and the writing/ratification of the
constitution. The people behind those actions are without doubt the
founding fathers.

Where is this definition of "founding fathers"?

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I just gave it to you. Try to pay attention in class.

Oh, so YOU get to define the phrase, eh? The pilgrims definitely had an
impact on the founding of our county. They settled the area first and
established it as viable for western civilization. They created
covenants and laws and developed the area, and usually made inroads with
the local native population.

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I would argue that although the pilgrims were among the first settlers
they had only a small impact on the country as we know it. There were
other groups right behind the pilgrims who were not religious zealots
and had much more pragmatic reasons for settling the country. Virginia
with its House of Burgesses certainly had much more influence on our
modern governmental institutions.

But that doesn't mean that no one except the forgers of the Constitution
were "founding fathers".... The pilgrims had a big influence on the
framers, they were the first ones to draft covenants and laws! The
decisions of the pilgrims was true democracy in action. They wanted to
create a society in which their freedoms would survive without
persecution. The Mayflower Compact created the very government that
allowed the people to have a voice in state affairs! I'd say that is
quite an impact on "founding" our country and our values.