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In article ,
says...

On 8/29/13 8:15 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 8/29/2013 5:09 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 8/29/13 3:55 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 15:16:40 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 8/29/13 3:11 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 13:23:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

On 8/29/13 1:12 PM, wrote:

I believe that is because of the support component that Harry
dismisses in such a cavalier way.

I don't dismiss support programs for substance abusers. Once again,
apparently, you cannot comprehend what you read. What I did say
is that
the religious-osity, as it were, of 12-step programs, is
offputting to a
substantial percentage of substance abusers. There is significant
published criticism for various reasons of 12-step programs.

The hard choices an addict needs to make is the main thing that puts
them off. They just use "religious-osity" as one more excuse.

Gee, I'm glad you have so much experience dealing with the huge
variety
of substance abusers and therefore feel qualified to state that those
who disdain the 12 steps approach because of religious reasons do
so as
an excuse. Obviously, whatever your profession was, you chose
poorly...since you could have been a first-rate therapist.

What is your experience?

I'm married to a first-rate psychotherapist who has seen and
successfully treated a great number of substance abusers in several
settings over her two decades as a licensed practitioner. She sometimes
talks about what works and what doesn't for various folks who remain
anonymous. Her doctoral dissertation was on a significant aspect of
substance abuse, and she has written other papers that also have been
published. She consults with NiMH professionals on substance abuse
topics.

Additionally, I've read "the lit" that comes to the house (professional
papers and journals) and I know thought my union work a lot of
construction workers in many trades who at some point in their careers
suffered severe injuries, were prescribed heavy duty meds, got hooked,
and then got clean and stayed clean.

As a result, I wouldn't make the sweeping statements you make about
substance abusers, or that, as you implied, a large number of those who
disdain the 12 step programs because of their religious-osity just do so
so they can remain outside of a therapeutic or support service.

Meaning you have no first hand experience.

My wife is a battery expert, she can build them, analyze them and tell
you why they are not
performing well. I am just a battery user.

And then you have to ask yourself if you believe any of what harry
says... Nobody here does, well nobody who thinks for themselves.

Ahh, the crazy man re-emerges. How's your blood med level? Lunacy under
control for the moment?

Until his jawbone gets out of whack!