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On 5/24/2013 3:12 PM, John H wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2013 14:54:27 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 5/24/2013 2:23 PM, John H wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2013 13:12:38 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 5/24/2013 1:05 PM, John H wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:59:25 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 5/24/2013 11:55 AM, John H wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2013 11:43:15 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:

On 5/24/2013 11:34 AM, Hank© wrote:
On 5/24/2013 10:03 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 5/24/2013 7:08 AM, Eisboch wrote:

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On 5/24/2013 6:08 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 19:18:35 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

On 5/22/2013 6:02 PM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:14:36 -0400, JustWaitAFrekinMinute
wrote:

On 5/22/2013 2:52 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2013 13:47:30 -0400, Wayne B
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On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:05:18 -0400, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

Years of the Bush Recession plus wasting public money on private
charter
schools erodes the funds available for public schools.

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Public schools are not failing from lack of funding. They are
failing from lack of parental committment to the educational
process.
When sports and student "self esteem" are a schools top
priorities,
the parents are inevitably to blame.

A big part of the problem is the number of kids who do not have
functioning families.

A big part of the problem is teachers and districts that spend too
much
time preaching and not enough time teaching, expecting the families
and
kids to make up for it at home at night. It's not like it used to
be,
our names are not all Cleaver, and a lot of kids don't have a mom
or dad
at home at night to guide them. With the money and resources we give
them, they could do a lot more.

Homework is part of education. How many folks do you think graduate
from a decent program in college
without homework?

And yes, parents should be making sure the work gets done.

John H.

In college no problem, and even in public schools.....

.... thirty years ago... Families are not constructed to "do homework"
anymore, it's just a fact of life. My mom realized that some 40 years
ago and helped insititute unwritten policy that stands in my home town
to this day and I rarely saw my girls come home with more than a
half to
one hour of work, and many times, none... At the same time, our
town is
a high rated system when it comes to diplomas... so, it can be
done. At
the same time they don't fool around with a lot of ****, everybody
gets
a voice, I will leave it at that.

'SOME' families are not constructed to do homework. That's one reason
most teachers stay after
school to help kids with their homework. Most families, again in my
experience, are properly
constructed and ensure their kids do their homework. My daughters,
with seven kids between them, are
well able to construct their lives such that their kids do the
homework.

John H.

Wow, aren't they special.. I am so glad they are the model for all
parents out there... LOL! So happy all families have the time and
schedule they do....

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Your expressions presented here sound more like an excuse than those of
a philosophy.

You need to relax...

What makes you think he's not an accomplished relaxer?

The fact that he seems to be looking at this place from a loogie point
of view lately... Take the "homework" thing. Although I didn't pull out
my calculator before my initial comment, I think any reasonable person
would understand that what I was saying was "there is no reason for
elementary and middle school kids to come home with 3-4 hours of
homework, two to three days a week". Now remember, rarely do kids get
homework on Friday so we are putting it all into four nights. If an
elementary kid has an hour or a half hour most nights, and then some
projects (in some cases the parents are "required" to be involved in) is
ok, but still most teaching should be done in School... The home time is
for the values and education that parents want to give, that are not
bothered with during the school day...

The teaching is done in school. The learning should take place both in school and at home. One of
the values parents should pass on is the work ethic. That means kids do their job - which is to
succeed in learning. That means doing their damn homework.

John H.

And all of my kids did... but it was not easy or necessary in some
cases.. Especially in the old school system where elementary kids
routinely got over two hour a night... That system is still doing that
and others in the district too from what I hear.

It shouldn't be 'easy' - that would be 'make work' crap. It's necessity should be driven by the
standards of learning developed by your school system. If it doesn't support those, then it's
unnecessary. The necessity of the individual standards is driven by the school system.

John H.

OK, you are all right... elementary kids need 3-4 hours of structured
"teaching" after school... even if it does keep them up a couple hours
later than they should be up. No time left for chores or God forbid,
family time/play time... but you are all right, I am wrong.

Why do they need 3-4 hours of homework, if that's what you're referring to?

John H.

I told you why they didn't need 3-4 hours a night in my first post! LOL!
And yes, the District 14 SS often sent young kids home with well over
two hours of homework, many times it was to "watch a program with your
parents" type stuff too, and parents were required to participate...

But you just said, "...elementary kids need 3-4 hours of structured
"teaching" after school".

I guess that's what had me confused. I'm really not sure what you're trying to say anymore.

My bad, I guess.

John H.

I was being sarcastic. What I am saying is elementary and even middle
school kids do not need 2-4 hours a night of homework... High School is
different, but still, two is plenty if the teachers are doing their job.
There may be projects, and finals etc, I am talking about general every
day homework....

Yeah, the teachers need to do their job, who do they think they are
trying to get parents involved in their children's education?