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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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On 4/27/13 4:45 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"iBoaterer" wrote in message
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In article ,
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On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 13:17:54 -0400, iBoaterer
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Gee, who was it here that said that it takes more energy to make
ethanol
than it produces?

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I did, and it is true if you add in all of the agricultural energy
such as fertilizer production, etc.

It was true, not anymore.

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Well, halleluiah and praise be to the corn gods. Cheap perpetual
energy. Oh, and by the way, the science community better get busy
re-writing the laws of physics.



I posit that "perpetual" energy really isn't relevant. If you were an
early settler to this continent, and spent a day cutting down a tree
and
sawing it into firewood, you had a source of energy for your cooking
and
heating fires that would last a long, long time, and would certainly
provide more energy in terms of BTUs and other measurements than you
expended.

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The energy expended by the settler is not all the energy involved.
It's only that used in the harvesting of the tree.

iBoater previously claimed that it takes less than a gallon of fossil
fuel to produce a gallon of ethanol. He's now claiming that all the
energy consumed in the growing, harvesting and production of the corn
(or sugar) for a gallon of ethanol is less than the energy the gallon
of ethanol will produce as a fuel.

I say nonsense.

iStupid doesn't have a leg to stand on.

http://www.oregon.gov/ENERGY/RENEW/B...ages/Cost.aspx

Because a gallon of ethanol contains less energy than a gallon of gasoline, the production
cost of ethanol must be multiplied by a factor of 1.5 to make an energy-cost comparison with
gasoline. This means that if ethanol costs $1.10 per gallon to produce, then the effective
cost per gallon to equal the energy contained in a gallon of gasoline is $1.65. In contrast,
the current wholesale price of gasoline is about 90 cents per gallon.