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On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 14:35:59 -0400, iBoaterer
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http://tinyurl.com/bqubef4

OK people with ties to agriculture like it, environmentalists question
their bookkeeping. I don't trust the government on this at all, they
are slaves to politicians.


http://www.permaculture.com/node/490

I cited the article in Scientific American a few weeks ago that put
corn ethanol very near the bottom of the EROEI

http://tinyurl.com/cu7bq9g

Ethanol.org???
Would you believe a study from Exxon?

Yes, if if was scientifically done. Please prove the facts given by
ethanol.org as false.

http://tinyurl.com/66mq73r

This guy is simply lying

Please prove him wrong. Cite?

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Myth No. 5: Cars get lower gas mileage with ethanol.

OK, this one?s true. If you completely burn a gallon of gasoline and a
gallon of E85, you?ll get 25 percent less energy from the E85.
Flex-fuel cars that run on gasoline and ethanol see 25 percent less
mileage with ethanol. However, a gallon of ethanol costs approximately
17 percent less than that of a gallon of gasoline. In some, but not
all, regions, the fuel-economy deficit is recovered by cheaper fuel
costs. As the market grows and matures, production optimization would
further drive down ethanol costs.
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I bought E85 in North Dakota and it was about he same price as E10

WITH A HEFTY TAX PAYER SUBSIDY!

They keep glossing over the most serious concern ... water.
The last guy lied about how much water midwestern farmers use.
Next time you fly, look at all the round green fields. Those are
center point irrigators pumping a small town's worth of drinking water
in a day. If you see a bright green field near by, that is just a
different kind of irrigation. They all use it or it would be as brown
as the fields in between.

We are going to run out of water far sooner than we will run out of
oil.
That is unless we are willing to pay a whole lot more for it, putting
that "cheap corn" totally out of reach.
At the rate we are pumping the Ogalla aquifer USGS says we might be
sucking air in most of the midwest in 25 years.
You can replace oil but there is no good replacement for cheap water
except expensive water reclaimed from the sea or piped in from very
far away. Those far away people may then see seasonal water shortages.