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On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 13:17:54 -0400, iBoaterer
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On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 11:35:58 -0400, iBoaterer
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Didn't Al Gore finally admit that turning our food source into fuel was a bad idea?

Republican: Igor no like new technology. Igor scared.

What new technology is there in fermenting grain? It has been going on for thousands of
years.

I rest my case....

The problem is that it is a very inefficient process, particularly
when you start with starch like corn. Using cellulose is even worse.

Sugar cane works better since you are starting with sugar but growing
sugar in an ecological nightmare virtually everywhere they do it.
The US can't even grow enough cane to supply ther national "table
sugar" demand and environmentalists are trying to shut down that
industry in Florida. Florida grows most of the sugar in the US ... in
the drained areas of the Everglades ... nuff said?

Brazil is having the same environmental holocaust around their sugar
to fuel business ... but nobody cares, not even the global warming
people.

Gee, who was it here that said that it takes more energy to make ethanol
than it produces?

Wayne was first to say it in this thread and he is right if you are
talking about corn ethanol, the only kind we make here for fuel.

The real issue with corn may actually be water. We are pumping the
Oglalla aquifer down and when that water is gone, it will not come
back any time soon. (thousands of years if we stopped pumping today)

We have a marginal fuel that uses more energy to produce than it
supplies to the end user, competing with food. That is a bad mix.

http://tinyurl.com/bqubef4

http://www.permaculture.com/node/490

http://tinyurl.com/cu7bq9g

http://tinyurl.com/66mq73r

?It often seems that every article, every interview, every public
discussion about our most used and visible biofuel, ethanol, starts, and
sometimes ends, with the question, 'Doesn?t it take more energy to make
ethanol than is contained in the ethanol?' In 1980, the short and
empirical answer to this question was yes. In 1990, because of improved
efficiencies by both farmer and ethanol manufacturer, the answer was,
probably not. In 2005 the answer is clearly no?
Several ethanol facilities are today beginning to use wood waste or, in
the near future, corn stover, to replace natural gas to meet their
thermal energy needs. The net energy ratio in that situation should be
well over 2 to 1!?

In 1980 that was true, but not now. But of course, BAR doesn't realize
that strides have been made in the production of biofuel.