"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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On 4/5/13 9:21 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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On 4/5/13 8:02 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/5/2013 7:36 AM, Tim wrote:
On Apr 5, 1:29 am, Urin Asshole wrote:


And, **** Jesus while I'm at it. Or, rather **** what all the
****ing
churches suppose Jesus was all about and DON'T promote. I have no
use
for dead people that other people fantasize about. It's really
quite
sick in the head.

If anyone actually believes in a fantasy god and/or fantasy hell
and
thinks that "worship" or "faith" is going to fix them or
anything,
they are way more ****ed up and frankly more stupid that the
lowliest
creature.

LOL! Somebody stick a crucifix in your face...


Well, they are just doing it because you came back for a few
hours
LOL! While you were gone they were on to whatever troll was
relevant at
the time. It's clear they are democrats and have no tolerance for
anybody different. Why do you think the party in general works so
hard
to keep the poor down?


Most of us lefties who are not "religious" have absolutely no
objections
to those who are religious and are courteous enough to not try to
shove
their religious beliefs in our faces. Certainly Tim is religious and
certainly it is fine with me if he wants to discuss his beliefs
here. It
is only offensive when the religious try to directly or indirectly
force
those beliefs on those who believe differently or not at all.

Here's an example.

Several times a year, members of the community of the religious ring
our
doorbell. Most of the time, the callers simply ask if we'd like to
come
to their church services or events. Sometimes they will leave behind
a
flyer or brochure. We have no objection to that.

But once or twice a year, we're called upon by proselytizers, pushy
representatives of the religious who apparently are looking for
converts. "Have you found Jesus?" "Don't you want to?" "We have a
minister who is very good at speaking to non-believers." And much
ore
and far worse. The anti-abortionists are particularly disgusting.

The latter are also the same people who try to use the legislative
processes to force their beliefs onto the general public.

Screw that and them.

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I guess we must have led a very sheltered life despite having lived
in
many different states and countries, including two years in your
general
area (Annapolis, MD). In nearly 45 years we were only approached
once
by pushy, religious representatives trying to recruit or convert and
that was in Zion, IL, back in 1972. The "conversation" lasted
about 10
seconds and has never happened since.

Oh, we did have some neighbors in Florida who tried to encourage us
to
attend their church but after a polite but firm refusal of interest
by
us, it never happened again.

During the guitar shop adventure I've met many people who perform at
their church services. Some are "worship leaders". In fact my
buddy
who took over the shop is very religious and often plays at his
church. Not once in the almost 5 years that I've known him has he
ever
tried to influence me with any of his beliefs and we've had many
discussions about religion and faith in general. I have visited
his
church from time to time however, mainly because they have a killer
10,000 watt sound system that was installed by one of the church
members
who is also an acoustic engineer. The music played through the
system
sounds incredibly good and the engineer has helped me with some of
the
acoustic treatments for the new performance venue I am involved
with.






We live in an area that is far more "rural" than "cosmopolitan"
Annapolis, even though the latter is only about 25 miles away. There
are
lots of churches down here. We probably get between six and nine home
visits a year by "the church ladies," and, as I said, most of them are
not offensive in any way.

It's funny, but when I was growing up in New Haven and attending
Sheridan Junior High, we'd end up playing basketball or kickball
afterschool many afternoons in the recreation yard of the catholic
church in the parish. It was pretty safe: the nuns kept an eye on
everything and every so often several of the priests would come out to
shoot some hoops. There never were any "religious" discussions
initiated
by the clergy there. I am sure, though, that if one of the kids wanted
to discuss "faith issues," a nun or priest would have been glad to
accommodate. Nowadays, too much of religion is "in your face."

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I guess it depends on how sensitive you are to it. I never feel any
direct "in my face" religious influence by others.
Our next door neighbors of 13 years are Baptists and she is an
ordained minister at their church. He is an engineer at the Pilgram
nuclear power plant. We see them often and there has never been an
attempt by either of them to try to influence us with their beliefs
nor by us in ours.