On 4/5/13 9:21 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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On 4/5/13 8:02 AM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/5/2013 7:36 AM, Tim wrote:
On Apr 5, 1:29 am, Urin Asshole wrote:


And, **** Jesus while I'm at it. Or, rather **** what all the ****ing
churches suppose Jesus was all about and DON'T promote. I have no use
for dead people that other people fantasize about. It's really quite
sick in the head.

If anyone actually believes in a fantasy god and/or fantasy hell and
thinks that "worship" or "faith" is going to fix them or anything,
they are way more ****ed up and frankly more stupid that the lowliest
creature.

LOL! Somebody stick a crucifix in your face...


Well, they are just doing it because you came back for a few hours
LOL! While you were gone they were on to whatever troll was relevant at
the time. It's clear they are democrats and have no tolerance for
anybody different. Why do you think the party in general works so hard
to keep the poor down?


Most of us lefties who are not "religious" have absolutely no objections
to those who are religious and are courteous enough to not try to shove
their religious beliefs in our faces. Certainly Tim is religious and
certainly it is fine with me if he wants to discuss his beliefs here. It
is only offensive when the religious try to directly or indirectly force
those beliefs on those who believe differently or not at all.

Here's an example.

Several times a year, members of the community of the religious ring our
doorbell. Most of the time, the callers simply ask if we'd like to come
to their church services or events. Sometimes they will leave behind a
flyer or brochure. We have no objection to that.

But once or twice a year, we're called upon by proselytizers, pushy
representatives of the religious who apparently are looking for
converts. "Have you found Jesus?" "Don't you want to?" "We have a
minister who is very good at speaking to non-believers." And much ore
and far worse. The anti-abortionists are particularly disgusting.

The latter are also the same people who try to use the legislative
processes to force their beliefs onto the general public.

Screw that and them.

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I guess we must have led a very sheltered life despite having lived in
many different states and countries, including two years in your general
area (Annapolis, MD). In nearly 45 years we were only approached once
by pushy, religious representatives trying to recruit or convert and
that was in Zion, IL, back in 1972. The "conversation" lasted about 10
seconds and has never happened since.

Oh, we did have some neighbors in Florida who tried to encourage us to
attend their church but after a polite but firm refusal of interest by
us, it never happened again.

During the guitar shop adventure I've met many people who perform at
their church services. Some are "worship leaders". In fact my buddy
who took over the shop is very religious and often plays at his
church. Not once in the almost 5 years that I've known him has he ever
tried to influence me with any of his beliefs and we've had many
discussions about religion and faith in general. I have visited his
church from time to time however, mainly because they have a killer
10,000 watt sound system that was installed by one of the church members
who is also an acoustic engineer. The music played through the system
sounds incredibly good and the engineer has helped me with some of the
acoustic treatments for the new performance venue I am involved with.






We live in an area that is far more "rural" than "cosmopolitan"
Annapolis, even though the latter is only about 25 miles away. There are
lots of churches down here. We probably get between six and nine home
visits a year by "the church ladies," and, as I said, most of them are
not offensive in any way.

It's funny, but when I was growing up in New Haven and attending
Sheridan Junior High, we'd end up playing basketball or kickball
afterschool many afternoons in the recreation yard of the catholic
church in the parish. It was pretty safe: the nuns kept an eye on
everything and every so often several of the priests would come out to
shoot some hoops. There never were any "religious" discussions initiated
by the clergy there. I am sure, though, that if one of the kids wanted
to discuss "faith issues," a nun or priest would have been glad to
accommodate. Nowadays, too much of religion is "in your face."