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On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 21:49:56 -0700, Urin Asshole
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On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 22:56:35 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 17:37:37 -0700, Urin Asshole
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On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 19:39:55 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 12:21:12 -0700, Urin Asshole
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Yep, and Medicare, by law can't negotiate with either hospitals of
Pharma. That's quite a free market system isn't it.

Go read the article again. Medicare pays about 10% of the Charge
Master price on the bills they looked at.
That was a big part of what Brill was saying.

That isn't a negotiation. They're barred by law from negotiating. It's
a fixed price that Medicare pays. And, 10% of complete bull**** is
still complete bull****. the costs are way below that. Try again.

The 10% is higher than the reality. Medicare pays more like 6-7%
OK I will try quoting the article you didn't seem to read.

Chest X ray $283 Medicare $20.44
Troponin Test $199.Medicare $13.64
CBC $157.61 Medicare $11.02
EKG $1200 Medicare $96
The list goes on

Brill says Medicare does pay too much for medical equipment tho.

What the **** is your problem? You said 10%. They don't negotiate.
It's a fixed percentage for each item. You go read the ****ing
article.

I said 10% and it was actually lower than that. You are right, it is
not a negotiation, they just say what they pay and the provider has
the choice, take it or leave it. A lot of providers are "leaving it"
and not taking Medicare patients.

I laugh when I hear this. They might as well close shop. It's called
"Pricing yourself out of the market." Or maybe "My business would be
profitable if I had any ****ing customers."
I've seen estimates that 70% of all health costs are charged for elderly
care. Jesus, just look around the provider's waiting room.
Then account for the multiple drugs and procedures the old farts are
getting compared the the young.
Half of all health care money to providers already comes from
government. Health care has been for years the biggest socialist
"business" going, after defense.
It's like Northrop Grumman refusing any more defense contracts.
Difference is Northrop Grumman can't be easily replaced by a hungrier
health care provider.
It's really funny hearing this argument.
Besides that, +50% of ALL Medicare cost is spent to keep what might be
called "vegetables" alive for their last 2 months of life.
I don't take a stand end-of-life care, except for myself.
But the solutions to all of this are pretty simple. Cut costs, or cut
services, or pay up.