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Iraq, under Saddam Hussein, was becoming increasingly defiant of the
UN resolutions agreed to after the first Gulf War. US and
coalition
aircraft patrolling the "no fly" zone were being fired upon. Iraqi
fixed wing aircraft were flying, in defiance of the UN resolutions.
Hussein bragged about his WMD's and was mass murdering many of
innocent Iraqi citizens. His sons were basically thugs. This
was
all happening at the end of the Clinton administration and Clinton
warned Bush of increasing problems again with Iraq.


It was happening after 9-11. Bush and his neocons wanted their balls
back. Any target would do, but since Afghanistan scared the bejesus
out
of them - and had no oil - Iraq was the best for nation building.
Make everybody American. That's how they view the world.
Bush senior and his crew were sure that Saddam would fall after the
Gulf
war. He didn't. Bush junior and his crew were sure the Iraqis would
shower roses on the "liberating Americans." They didn't.
Father and son and their crews were just dumb-asses.
History bears witness.
Oil was supposed to be the cherry on the cake.

If you recall, Bush did not rush into invading Iraq. At least six
months were spent holding meetings and presenting data in the UN.
(I
guess he fooled them too.) Bottom line was that Iraq was
determined
to be a serious threat again to stability in the region and to those
allies we had in the area.

It took time to build the fabric of lies. How many articles did
Judith
Miller of the New York Times write, based on lies fed to her from the
Bush administration? How many appearances by Cheney, Rice, et al, on
Sunday morning shows, lying about aluminum tubes, African uranium
purchases, Atta meeting the Iraqi secret service, and mushroom clouds?
It had to be a lengthy and well orchestrated process to get the
dumb-ass
Dems to vote for the war powers act, as they did.
The UN never bought into it and never approved war. I don't know
where
you get that.


Hussein refused to allow weapons inspectors to do their job, fueling
more speculation that his claims of having WMD's was real. There
were also conveys of trucks moving "something" out of Iraq and into
Syria, not long before the invasion took place. Hussein was given
an
ultimatum for him and his sons to leave. He thumbed his nose at
the
UN and the world.


Utter bull****. Saddam even allowed his palaces to be inspected.
UN inspectors could chopper into any location in Iraq.
The ultimatum came from GWB. The UN wanted no part of it.

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Inspections were allowed only in "approved" areas. Inspectors were
*not* permitted in locations of their own choosing.
There was an active, delaying action taking place.

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You're nuts even suggesting WMD were spirited out of Iraq in convoys
of
trucks. Don't you even know that Colin Powell showed clear satellite
shots to the UN of what he claimed to be "mobile WMD production labs?"
But he wouldn't give the UN inspectors the location.
Later shots were taken from the ground by U.S. reporters.
It was a ****ing tractor trailer junkyard.
And the "something" you speak of was probably a ****ing convoy
transporting goat milk.
You really drank the kool-ade on this.


I think mistakes were made, the biggest being underestimating the
time
it would take for the country to stabilize after Hussein was found
and
removed from power. But I am not convinced that Bush purposely
invaded Iraq for personal political advantage.

The biggest mistake was electing dumb-ass GWB as POTUS. What
motivated
him isn't even important. It's his dumb-ass conduct that matters.
You're always going to get dumb-ass motivations from a dumb-ass.
Krause and jps provide plenty of examples from the "other side" when
they shoot off their mouths without thinking first.
Get over it. Reality and facts are all over the internet, so your
"opinions" mean nothing unless backed by facts.

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Here's a chronology by that ultra right wing news faction .... The
Public Broadcasting System:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl.../etc/cron.html

worth a read.