"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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On 2/26/13 8:58 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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On 2/26/13 8:30 AM, J Herring wrote:


The Iraq war was initiated because our intelligence, the
intelligence
of our allies, the leadership
of Iraq, and our Congress believed or announced the building and
storage of weapons of mass
destruction in Iraq.

Salmonbait

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That's just Herring lying to perpetuate the Bush Administration's
lies.
The Bush Administration and its neocon supplicants cooked the intel
out
of Iraq and cooked it over and over and over, and fed false intel to
our
allies, too. This has been discussed openly for years, the Brits
have
discussed how they were duped by cooked intel. The sad thing is that
the
righties are still trying to rewrite the reality of the Bush
Administration's bull**** that got us into Iran.

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So, what was his motivations to "cook" the intel and "lie" to the
nation
and the world?

I remember hearing, "It's all about the oil". No evidence of
that
ever came to be.
I remember hearing, "Revenge for trying to assassinate his father".
No
real evidence of that, other than speculation by some.
I remember hearing, "It's Cheney getting Hallibuton contracts" .
Yes,
Hallibuton got contracts but they were the only company with the
resources to do them.

So, what's the real reason Bush cooked the intel and lied to the
world? Seems to me that even he is smart enough to realize what
the
historical and personal ramifications would be if he knowingly lied
and
conducted a war for personal reasons. I just can't buy that. If
he
cooked the intel, then so did many others, including many
Republicans
and Democrats in the Senate who saw the same reports, acquired
domestically and by our allies. What was Bush doing, sitting at
his
computer, modifying the raw data and releasing it to Congress?


I recall news reports quoting Bush in meetings discussing "getting
back"
at Iraq for targeting his dad.

But, I think the real reason Bush started a war against Iraq is
because
after 9-11 and his failure to catch Osama, Bush's advisers, especially
Cheney, told him that lying us into a war against Iraq would be a good
way to assure his re-election.

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Iraq, under Saddam Hussein, was becoming increasingly defiant of the
UN resolutions agreed to after the first Gulf War. US and coalition
aircraft patrolling the "no fly" zone were being fired upon. Iraqi
fixed wing aircraft were flying, in defiance of the UN resolutions.
Hussein bragged about his WMD's and was mass murdering many of
innocent Iraqi citizens. His sons were basically thugs. This was
all happening at the end of the Clinton administration and Clinton
warned Bush of increasing problems again with Iraq.

If you recall, Bush did not rush into invading Iraq. At least six
months were spent holding meetings and presenting data in the UN. (I
guess he fooled them too.) Bottom line was that Iraq was determined
to be a serious threat again to stability in the region and to those
allies we had in the area.
Hussein refused to allow weapons inspectors to do their job, fueling
more speculation that his claims of having WMD's was real. There
were also conveys of trucks moving "something" out of Iraq and into
Syria, not long before the invasion took place. Hussein was given an
ultimatum for him and his sons to leave. He thumbed his nose at the
UN and the world.

I think mistakes were made, the biggest being underestimating the time
it would take for the country to stabilize after Hussein was found and
removed from power. But I am not convinced that Bush purposely
invaded Iraq for personal political advantage.