"iBoaterer" wrote in message
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On 2/19/13 3:46 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"Urin Asshole" wrote in message
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On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 09:48:20 -0500, "Eisboch"
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message
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On 2/19/13 9:00 AM, Eisboch wrote:
For kicks I looked up the leading causes of death in the USA.
Data
is
the final numbers from 2010 as published by the Center for
Disease
Control.
Surprisingly, firearms related deaths didn't make the top ten
and
firearms related homicides weren't even close to the top ten.
It's
interesting that deaths caused by traffic accidents numbered
about 3
times those of homicides involving firearms, but all the focus
is on
more gun control laws.

Personal note: This is not a excuse of deaths caused by
firearms,
but
rather an attempt to put it all in perspective.

Heart disease: 597,689
Cancer: 574,743
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 138,080
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 129,476
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 120,859
Alzheimer's disease: 83,494
Diabetes: 69,071
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,476
Influenza and Pneumonia: 50,097
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 38,364
Traffic accidents: 33,808
Firearms: 30,470 (19,392 suicides, 11,078 homicides)


There are solid statistically based predictions that state that
firearms
deaths will exceed traffic accident deaths in a couple of years.

Oh, you forgot to list the number of Americans who die of old
age.

On a more serious note, I only took one college-level statistics
course
and have forgotten most of what I ever learned about that sort of
math,
so I asked a family member who has taken four graduate-level
stats
courses about these sorts of comparisons (gun deaths vs. car
deaths
vs.
cancer deaths, et cetera) and got a chuckle in response. "Such
comparisions are based on silliness and are statistically absurd.
Yes,
more people die of cancer than of gunshot wounds but...so what?"

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The number that surprised me was deaths by homicide involving
firearms. I read the same thing you did regarding firearm deaths
exceeding traffic deaths by 2015 however that includes suicides.
Unfortunately, although a gun is the method of choice for most
suicides, further gun restrictions won't eliminate them. As
stated
in my post, the data is presented simply to put things in
perspective. 11,078 firearms related homicides is too many of
course
but it's a reflection of violence in our society ... which also
cannot
be totally eliminated. There are bad people in the world. But
the
number is not the huge number that some of the media and
proponents of
even more gun control measure would like you to believe.

My state has some of the strictest gun control laws in the
nation.
Permits require background checks and every purchase of a firearm
at a
dealer involves a telephone check and taking of an electronic
fingerprint to verify that you are who you say you are and your
permit
is valid. You must present a valid permit even for ammunition
purchases. But, our me-too governor has proposed and is
pushing for
even more restrictive laws including jail time for purchasing
more
than one firearm per month for existing permit holders, making
getting a permit more difficult, and putting a heavy state tax
(up to
50%) on all ammunition sales (even range target practice
rounds). I
don't see how that is going to affect the homicide rate by
firearms in
the country.
All it is is political posturing in reaction to a horrible but
isolated event caused by a kid who was severely disturbed .... as
are
all cases of mass murders.

By that twisted ****ing logic, we might as well do away with the
NTSB
and all the other safety protocols, since they result in fewer
deaths.
How about faulty cribs. What a load of horse****. You have a
product
that's killing 1000s of people, but since it doesn't kill as many
as
cancer, it's ok.

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The numbers were presented to put things in perspective. Of
course any
deaths due to firearms is not ok .... but the number, especially
in
homicides, is not what is being hyped by the media and others and
some
politicians are over-reacting IMO, like the governor of my state.


How are they overreacting? Because more people die from cancer?

Is cancer made by others in a factory for the sole purpose of killing
like a gun is? THAT is where you idiots sound so stupid.

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First of all, I am not an idiot.
Second of all, although guns can kill, not all gun owners own them to
kill.

Third, and for the final time, the numbers I presented were not
intended to compare cancer to guns.
It was simply to establish some realism in terms of the major causes
of all deaths, including those by guns.
For a nation with a population of over 315 million, the number of
homicide deaths involving guns is relatively small.
Don't go off your rocker assuming that I therefore think that's ok.
Of course it isn't. But people have to be realistic when babbling
about new gun laws.