On Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:02:25 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...



On 12/19/2012 11:06 PM, wrote:

On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 11:45:33 PM UTC-4, JustWait wrote:

On 12/19/2012 9:54 PM, ESAD wrote:



On 12/19/12 8:58 PM, JustWait wrote:



On 12/19/2012 8:31 PM, BAR wrote:



In article ,



says...







On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:37:26 AM UTC-4, JustWait wrote:



On 12/19/2012 7:49 AM, BAR wrote:







In article ,







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"JustWait" wrote in message ...















On 12/18/2012 3:50 PM, Eisboch wrote:























"GuzzisRule" wrote in message







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On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:43:39 -0500, "Eisboch"







wrote:























But statistics indicate that this is *not* a growing epidemic or







upward trend. There were unfortunately more that occurred in the







1980's and 1990's. We just didn't hear as much about them as we







hear







today.































I've also heard similar statistics presented on one of our local







radio







stations. The statistics make







us look better.















However, I'd have no problem with the banning of assault weapons.







Target







practice and hunting can







both be done with other types of rifles. The question will then be,







"What constitutes an assault







weapon?"















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"Justwait" made a comment that caused me to think about this. I







think







his definitions of guns could be developed into a reasonably simple







category system of what is available for purchase and ownership by







private citizens and what is reserved for military and police use.















For private citizens:















Firearms (handguns and rifles/shotguns) specifically designed for







target practice and competition. No more than 7-10 round



capacity.







Firearms (rifles and shotguns) designed specifically for hunting.







No







more than 5-10 rounds.







Firearms designed for personal/home defense. Includes handguns



with







no







more than 7-10 round capacity. Concealed carry permits allowed







based on







background check.







Non-functioning firearms as collectibles/display pieces. These can







include military type weapons but must be permanently disabled.















For Law Enforcement and Military:















Firearms and weapons designed for both defensive and offensive use.







Automatic and semi-automatic with unlimited round capacity.















The days of private citizens being concerned about arming to the







teeth







to protect themselves from their own government are long over.







That interpretation of the 2nd Ammendent is obsolete. Private







citizens







don't need high capacity, offensive weapons.























There you go... Now let's get on my idea of hiring retired PoPo as







administrators, janitors, coaches, teachers aids, cafeteria workers,







etc







in schools and let them carry.















Like I said, a uniformed security guard or even police officer is a







sitting duck if he doesn't know an attack is being planned, he would







just be fodder. Now imagine in CT, if there were two or three armed







teachers or staff, even a janitor who heard the shots come over the







loud







speaker and made their way to the office, even if just to lay down







cover







fire until the cops got there minutes later. There is a good







possibility







the kid would have never made it out of the office and to the







classroom.







We might be talking about less than 5 dead... The key though is the







unions would have to allow these retired PoPo to come into the







system...















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I can't go along with armed teachers. Not their job and not







consistent with their calling. Can't go along with guns in schools







period.















We have police in our high schools and in our middle schools in







Montgomery County Maryland, adjacent to and directly north of







Washington, D.C. These police are sworn Montgomery County Police







officers who come with badge, radio and handgun.















Why would one of the richest counties in the country need to have



police







officers in the schools? Gangs and thugs. The "central american"



gangs







are making inroads and within the legal and illegal immigrant



population







that is flocking to Montgomery County due to its permissive policies







when it comes to illegal aliens.















We need to be careful of over-reacting due to the highly emotional







influence and nature of tragic events such as this and the



whipping up







of reactions due to the media coverage. I think *that* has more



of an







influence on these nut cases to get the attention they are looking







for.















Rather than take matters into our own hands, which is not a bad



thing at







all, and providing for our own security via various actions, planning







and general awareness we have abdicated our responsibilities to the







Federal, State and local governments.















The media has its agenda and it more often than not it is contrary to







the publics best interest.































It's still my feeling that uniformed, armed police will eventually be







targeted by these kids who have spent years learning to "clear a room"







and devise an offense. They are sitting ducks in an ambush... That's



why







I would just rather see staff that is staff, who also happen to be







retired PoPo in a second career...







So you recommend that 'douple dipping' municipal servents replace low



paid custodial employees who are scraping by trying to make a living.



Someone like you should be a 'friend' of the low paid working class



heros of our society.



Wait a minute...you are no fan of work of any kind...eh?







Why do you care about janitors being hired from the retired ranks of the



police. They retired police are just continuing the efforts of cleaning



up **** that somebody left.











Leave it to the unions to care more about the monthly dues than the



kids..











What do retired cops working as school janitors have to do with the



safety of school kids? You think an old cop with a .38 snubby is going



to face down someone crazy with a semi-auto assault rifle with a bunch



of 30-round mags? You boys are delusional.







One last time asshole... First off I know retired cops who still race



expert class motocross. That being said, one "old cop with a sig 9" and



years of tactical training might be able to lay enough cover fire to



slow someone down, and might even get that golden bb... As he would have



done a couple years earlier, he might even be able to resolve the



conflict without deadly force and if anyone can, it's a retired "old"



cop who would probably kick your sorry old union slag ass... You just



don't want to give up those kushy jobs to folks who might actually have



a work ethic, we get it, but you see we really do care about the kids.



What the 'ell...now you're talking about work ethics???

What is this... a Christmas present for us?



You sir, have no ****ing idea what I have done to get to the point that

our business is more or less automated... Years and years of very hard

work but either way, you have no place to judge me. Last time you did,

you called me dirty and greasy, when it turns out you raised your sow

and piglets in a stye...



Then why do you not pay your bills to the hospital and pay your taxes?

Yeah Snottie...what he said......