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On 12/19/12 11:41 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/19/2012 11:12 PM, ESAD wrote:
JustWait wrote:
On 12/19/2012 9:54 PM, ESAD wrote:
On 12/19/12 8:58 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/19/2012 8:31 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:37:26 AM UTC-4, JustWait wrote:
On 12/19/2012 7:49 AM, BAR wrote:

In article ,

says...

"JustWait" wrote in message ...

On 12/18/2012 3:50 PM, Eisboch wrote:

"GuzzisRule" wrote in message

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On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:43:39 -0500, "Eisboch"

wrote:

But statistics indicate that this is *not* a growing
epidemic or

upward trend. There were unfortunately more that occurred
in the

1980's and 1990's. We just didn't hear as much about them
as we

hear

today.

I've also heard similar statistics presented on one of our local

radio

stations. The statistics make

us look better.

However, I'd have no problem with the banning of assault
weapons.

Target

practice and hunting can

both be done with other types of rifles. The question will
then be,

"What constitutes an assault

weapon?"

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"Justwait" made a comment that caused me to think about
this. I

think

his definitions of guns could be developed into a reasonably
simple

category system of what is available for purchase and
ownership by

private citizens and what is reserved for military and police
use.

For private citizens:

Firearms (handguns and rifles/shotguns) specifically
designed for

target practice and competition. No more than 7-10 round
capacity.

Firearms (rifles and shotguns) designed specifically for
hunting.

No

more than 5-10 rounds.

Firearms designed for personal/home defense. Includes handguns
with

no

more than 7-10 round capacity. Concealed carry permits allowed

based on

background check.

Non-functioning firearms as collectibles/display pieces.
These can

include military type weapons but must be permanently disabled.

For Law Enforcement and Military:

Firearms and weapons designed for both defensive and
offensive use.

Automatic and semi-automatic with unlimited round capacity.

The days of private citizens being concerned about arming to the

teeth

to protect themselves from their own government are long over.

That interpretation of the 2nd Ammendent is obsolete. Private

citizens

don't need high capacity, offensive weapons.

There you go... Now let's get on my idea of hiring retired
PoPo as

administrators, janitors, coaches, teachers aids, cafeteria
workers,

etc

in schools and let them carry.

Like I said, a uniformed security guard or even police officer
is a

sitting duck if he doesn't know an attack is being planned, he
would

just be fodder. Now imagine in CT, if there were two or three
armed

teachers or staff, even a janitor who heard the shots come
over the

loud

speaker and made their way to the office, even if just to lay
down

cover

fire until the cops got there minutes later. There is a good

possibility

the kid would have never made it out of the office and to the

classroom.

We might be talking about less than 5 dead... The key though
is the

unions would have to allow these retired PoPo to come into the

system...

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I can't go along with armed teachers. Not their job and not

consistent with their calling. Can't go along with guns in
schools

period.

We have police in our high schools and in our middle schools in

Montgomery County Maryland, adjacent to and directly north of

Washington, D.C. These police are sworn Montgomery County Police

officers who come with badge, radio and handgun.

Why would one of the richest counties in the country need to have
police

officers in the schools? Gangs and thugs. The "central american"
gangs

are making inroads and within the legal and illegal immigrant
population

that is flocking to Montgomery County due to its permissive
policies

when it comes to illegal aliens.

We need to be careful of over-reacting due to the highly
emotional

influence and nature of tragic events such as this and the
whipping up

of reactions due to the media coverage. I think *that* has more
of an

influence on these nut cases to get the attention they are
looking

for.

Rather than take matters into our own hands, which is not a bad
thing at

all, and providing for our own security via various actions,
planning

and general awareness we have abdicated our responsibilities to
the

Federal, State and local governments.

The media has its agenda and it more often than not it is
contrary to

the publics best interest.

It's still my feeling that uniformed, armed police will
eventually be

targeted by these kids who have spent years learning to "clear a
room"

and devise an offense. They are sitting ducks in an ambush...
That's
why

I would just rather see staff that is staff, who also happen to be

retired PoPo in a second career...

So you recommend that 'douple dipping' municipal servents replace
low
paid custodial employees who are scraping by trying to make a
living.
Someone like you should be a 'friend' of the low paid working class
heros of our society.
Wait a minute...you are no fan of work of any kind...eh?

Why do you care about janitors being hired from the retired ranks
of the
police. They retired police are just continuing the efforts of
cleaning
up **** that somebody left.

Leave it to the unions to care more about the monthly dues than the
kids..

What do retired cops working as school janitors have to do with the
safety of school kids? You think an old cop with a .38 snubby is going
to face down someone crazy with a semi-auto assault rifle with a bunch
of 30-round mags? You boys are delusional.

One last time asshole... First off I know retired cops who still race
expert class motocross. That being said, one "old cop with a sig 9" and
years of tactical training might be able to lay enough cover fire to
slow
someone down, and might even get that golden bb... As he would have done
a couple years earlier, he might even be able to resolve the conflict
without deadly force and if anyone can, it's a retired "old" cop who
would probably kick your sorry old union slag ass... You just don't want
to give up those kushy jobs to folks who might actually have a work
ethic, we get it, but you see we really do care about the kids.

Oh. I see. This is a theory of yours with no data.

No **** Sherlock.. It's my idea, you got a better one asshole? All you
care about it your pension, screw the kids, literally and figuratively,
we already know what you are all about...

Yeah, actually, I do. And so do the other rational people.