On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 11:45:33 PM UTC-4, JustWait wrote:
On 12/19/2012 9:54 PM, ESAD wrote:

On 12/19/12 8:58 PM, JustWait wrote:

On 12/19/2012 8:31 PM, BAR wrote:

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On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:37:26 AM UTC-4, JustWait wrote:

On 12/19/2012 7:49 AM, BAR wrote:



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"JustWait" wrote in message ...







On 12/18/2012 3:50 PM, Eisboch wrote:











"GuzzisRule" wrote in message



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On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:43:39 -0500, "Eisboch"



wrote:











But statistics indicate that this is *not* a growing epidemic or



upward trend. There were unfortunately more that occurred in the



1980's and 1990's. We just didn't hear as much about them as we



hear



today.















I've also heard similar statistics presented on one of our local



radio



stations. The statistics make



us look better.







However, I'd have no problem with the banning of assault weapons.



Target



practice and hunting can



both be done with other types of rifles. The question will then be,



"What constitutes an assault



weapon?"







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"Justwait" made a comment that caused me to think about this. I



think



his definitions of guns could be developed into a reasonably simple



category system of what is available for purchase and ownership by



private citizens and what is reserved for military and police use.







For private citizens:







Firearms (handguns and rifles/shotguns) specifically designed for



target practice and competition. No more than 7-10 round

capacity.



Firearms (rifles and shotguns) designed specifically for hunting.



No



more than 5-10 rounds.



Firearms designed for personal/home defense. Includes handguns

with



no



more than 7-10 round capacity. Concealed carry permits allowed



based on



background check.



Non-functioning firearms as collectibles/display pieces. These can



include military type weapons but must be permanently disabled.







For Law Enforcement and Military:







Firearms and weapons designed for both defensive and offensive use.



Automatic and semi-automatic with unlimited round capacity.







The days of private citizens being concerned about arming to the



teeth



to protect themselves from their own government are long over.



That interpretation of the 2nd Ammendent is obsolete. Private



citizens



don't need high capacity, offensive weapons.











There you go... Now let's get on my idea of hiring retired PoPo as



administrators, janitors, coaches, teachers aids, cafeteria workers,



etc



in schools and let them carry.







Like I said, a uniformed security guard or even police officer is a



sitting duck if he doesn't know an attack is being planned, he would



just be fodder. Now imagine in CT, if there were two or three armed



teachers or staff, even a janitor who heard the shots come over the



loud



speaker and made their way to the office, even if just to lay down



cover



fire until the cops got there minutes later. There is a good



possibility



the kid would have never made it out of the office and to the



classroom.



We might be talking about less than 5 dead... The key though is the



unions would have to allow these retired PoPo to come into the



system...







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I can't go along with armed teachers. Not their job and not



consistent with their calling. Can't go along with guns in schools



period.







We have police in our high schools and in our middle schools in



Montgomery County Maryland, adjacent to and directly north of



Washington, D.C. These police are sworn Montgomery County Police



officers who come with badge, radio and handgun.







Why would one of the richest counties in the country need to have

police



officers in the schools? Gangs and thugs. The "central american"

gangs



are making inroads and within the legal and illegal immigrant

population



that is flocking to Montgomery County due to its permissive policies



when it comes to illegal aliens.







We need to be careful of over-reacting due to the highly emotional



influence and nature of tragic events such as this and the

whipping up



of reactions due to the media coverage. I think *that* has more

of an



influence on these nut cases to get the attention they are looking



for.







Rather than take matters into our own hands, which is not a bad

thing at



all, and providing for our own security via various actions, planning



and general awareness we have abdicated our responsibilities to the



Federal, State and local governments.







The media has its agenda and it more often than not it is contrary to



the publics best interest.















It's still my feeling that uniformed, armed police will eventually be



targeted by these kids who have spent years learning to "clear a room"



and devise an offense. They are sitting ducks in an ambush... That's

why



I would just rather see staff that is staff, who also happen to be



retired PoPo in a second career...



So you recommend that 'douple dipping' municipal servents replace low

paid custodial employees who are scraping by trying to make a living.

Someone like you should be a 'friend' of the low paid working class

heros of our society.

Wait a minute...you are no fan of work of any kind...eh?



Why do you care about janitors being hired from the retired ranks of the

police. They retired police are just continuing the efforts of cleaning

up **** that somebody left.





Leave it to the unions to care more about the monthly dues than the

kids..





What do retired cops working as school janitors have to do with the

safety of school kids? You think an old cop with a .38 snubby is going

to face down someone crazy with a semi-auto assault rifle with a bunch

of 30-round mags? You boys are delusional.



One last time asshole... First off I know retired cops who still race

expert class motocross. That being said, one "old cop with a sig 9" and

years of tactical training might be able to lay enough cover fire to

slow someone down, and might even get that golden bb... As he would have

done a couple years earlier, he might even be able to resolve the

conflict without deadly force and if anyone can, it's a retired "old"

cop who would probably kick your sorry old union slag ass... You just

don't want to give up those kushy jobs to folks who might actually have

a work ethic, we get it, but you see we really do care about the kids.

What the 'ell...now you're talking about work ethics???
What is this... a Christmas present for us?
~~ SNERK ~~
Why not just issue those see through shields the tactical cops use. They must be somewhat bulletproof.