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iBoaterer[_2_]

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On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 10:37:30 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:42:14 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 14:33:55 -0800, jps wrote:

On Wed, 05 Dec 2012 12:03:00 -0500, wrote:

You have not explained why all of those "available" American kids are

not taking the science and engineering courses.

Are you trying to say they are being discriminated against?

(not enough "affirmative action" perhaps?)

Maybe we should give Americans an extra 500 points on their SATs and

extra grade points once they get accepted so they can compete.

You admit they already get a big break on tuition

Maybe it is just because our overpriced K-12 government schools suck.

We spend more money on K-12 than any other country, yet we rank around

#26 in math and science. That is the real reason why our kids waste

their college money on courses that only qualify them to be the most

interesting barista at Starbucks.

You completely glossed the explanation. Higher ed state schools with

the programs to churn out STEM graduates are opting for the high value

out-of-state (country) students and their higher tuition rates, at the

cost of our own kids having seats.

From what I understand, lots of Chinese students being accepted at US

universities have ginned up resumes and doctored educational

histories.

Cash strapped states are slashing funding for state colleges so

they're stuck in the middle, desperate for higher tuition rates. Those

tuition rates are not as easly reachable for stateside students

anymore, so they're being paid by foreign students from wealthy

families.

Welcome to the new reality in the states. Poorly-funded educational

system incapable of turning out the talent that's sorely needed to

keep the country competitive.

Get it?

Are you saying there are a significant number of American kids who
apply and are rejected?
As for the allegation that the foreign students fake their
qualifications, maybe a good measure would be the graduation rate.

He obviously hasn't been to a college graduation lately. I have.
The higher degrees were award to students who were 75-80% foreign. While they were learning the basics and beyond in school,
in families that stress the value of education, their American counterparts were playing X-Box and kicking a soccer ball.

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Family support of educational goals is absolutely key. Too many
parents today make trouble for teachers who give their child poor
grades instead of getting to the root cause. Schools have got to get
over this notion that a child's (and parent's) self esteem is more
important than actual learning.

When my oldest daughter was in 3rd grade I attended one of her
parent/teacher conferences. The teacher told me that she was having some
trouble with math. I quickly responded asking the teacher what resources
I could use to help my daughter with math. The teacher was taken aback
because she didn't expect a parent to care or want to help.

Yup!