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On 7/12/12 8:51 AM, Eisboch wrote:


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On 7/12/12 7:35 AM, BAR wrote:
In article , lid says...

On 7/7/2012 7:31 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 7/6/2012 10:45 PM, thumper wrote:
On 7/5/2012 4:45 PM, BAR wrote:

It's all about what caused the big bang. If you take the
chair-bound guy
in England's view then you believe that it just happened.
Hothing was
there before, it just happened.

There was no 'before'. Time is a property/dimension of the
universe.

There has to be a before. Who lit the fuse? The big bang didn't
just
happen.


Why not? Explain what causes quantum fluctuation.

We know the effect, we don't know the cause.


So, then, why *assume* some sort of "god" was involved. Why, because
it
is just another example of man trying to explain away what he
doesn't
know via religious belief. Superstition.

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The problem with the "quantum fluctuation" answer is that by it's
own
rules,
something had to exist before the Big Bang to have a quantum
fluctuation
*in*
(thereby causing the Big Bang)

"What" that "something" is or was is the key to the next step in
understanding
the mystery that surrounds us ... assuming of course that we all
actual
exist.




I'm sure about me...but...are you more than a collection of electrons
here?

Seriously, though (ha), the inability of man to know with certainly of
the existence of a creator is reason enough to be agnostic. We believe
such will remain unknown or unknowable and thus, our skepticism.

It's ironic to me that so many religious fundamentalists deny
evolution
when so much of what they believe is the result of the evolution of
religion itself.

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Ancient humans didn't have the scientific evidence and knowledge
that we have today but I think they had inquiring minds and
intelligence.
Without the scientific evidence it is perfectly understandable to me
that various "creators" were envisioned with an evolution and
embellishment of stories over the centuries. The fact is, there is
still no answer of how all this came to be. I have no problem with
those of "faith" who believe in a God or Creator. It's still as good
of an answer as any scientific theory, so far. The stories of course
are a little far-fetched, but it's part of the faith of the believers.

If we survive another 1000 years (which is doubtful) imagine how
our descendants will view our current beliefs and/or scientific
evidence.