On 4/20/12 12:36 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/20/2012 12:19 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/20/12 11:55 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 4/20/2012 11:24 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
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On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:56:02 PM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
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On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:08:38 PM UTC-4,
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On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:22:47 -0400,
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"Asking a question is not assault."

But how do you know that the person asking the question
isn't about to
assault you? Do you wait for him to do so?


True, but it was Martin who asked the first question.

Some vigilante creepy guy following me around at night, I'd
ask the
first question too. It would be stupid not to.

Would you punch the guy when he asked you why you were there
or would
you tell him you had a right to be there.

It all depends on HOW he approached me.

Either we believe the girlfriend or we ONLY have Zimmerman to
believe., The last words before the fight started were from
Zimmerman
asking what Martin was doing there.

So?

Zimmerman's statement to the police was basically the same as
what the
girlfriend says, before Zimmerman even knew there was a
girlfriend.

Do you mean the statement that the police helped Zimmerman
conjure up?


Since the police actually wanted to bring charges I doubt they
conjured up anything helpful for Zimmerman
It was the states attorney who said they did not have a case.
Nothing has changed and I still doubt they have a case the state
will
win. This is just a knee jerk political move.

Don't confuse him with facts.

Fact: Zimmerman killed Martin.
Admitted fact.

Fact: Sanford PD didn't follow anywhere near normal investigations
of a
homicide.
Conjecture.

No, not conjecture, truth.

You weren't there, you don't know exactly what they did. And I'm
certain you aren't a police detective. So, conjecture.

Don't have to be a detective. They've stated they didn't do those
things
normally done.

Fact: Zimmerman stalked Martin
False, he wasn't stealthy, Martin knew he was there. Look up
"stalk".

Okay, see #3:

3.
to proceed in a steady, deliberate, or sinister manner:

Again, the events don't support your take. He wasn't steady or
deliberate, if he had been he wouldn't have lost him, gone back to
his truck, etc. Wasn't sinister in his intent during the time he was
following, else he wouldn't have had the police on the phone. In
fact, he had lost Martin and was waiting on police when it seems
Martin initiated contact.


A guy walking toward another person with a handgun isn't sinister?
Also,
note the definition that you wanted me to look up says "steady,
deliberate, OR sinister.

Fact: Zimmerman was a known hostile hot head.
False.

Really?

http://rollingout.com/culture/george...retired-judge-

has-3-closed-arrests/

Which states:
According to a records search on George, he was previously arrested
for
domestic violence, resisting an officer without violence and most
shockingly, resisting an officer with violence ? a felony charge that
surely could have landed him in prison.
All three of those arrests, however, were mysteriously closed with no
semblance of charges for the Florida resident. So how was someone
with a
violent past including that of battery against an officer able to
carry
a 9 mm handgun? Maybe that?s a question Robert Zimmerman should
answer ?

You did't read you own cite, do you?
"Note: It has been brought to our attention that George Zimmerman has
been arrested one time, not three, and that the charges against him
were dropped after he completed a pre-trial diversion program. The
additional two charges stem from the same incident on the same date."

Because the charges were dropped in pre-trial intervention means he
didn't do anything??? Are you serious?

The article you cite from wasn't even a halfway researched one, it
got some pretty important stuff wrong. Half-ass "journalism".

You have proof of that, right? May I see it?

Anyway, on closer examination of the facts, he was actually a pretty
wimpy "violent" guy, huh? Seems that he actually never touched
anyone. Sounds to me like he's guilty of running his mouth.

Domestic violence, resisting arrest with violence, resisting arrest
with
violence. How many crimes has Martin been charged with? After all
you're
trying to make it look like Martin was a thug and Zimmerman was an
outstanding citizen.

Well, if you were really interested in facts, you would have just
watched the probable cause hearing where the Judge made a great effort
to let folks know that "this type of charge" is "standard" for incidents
on some University, and he (the judge) pretty much dismissed all of the
"charges" previously against him and said "they are not relevant to this
case at all" and then gave him a 150,000 dollar bond, and will even let
him leave the state. Those are the facts, spin on from there....

That may be your reality, but the "real" reality is different:


(CBS/AP) SANFORD, Fla. - A judge has granted bail for George Zimmerman,
the neighborhood watch volunteer charged with killing Florida teenager
Trayvon Martin, but would not allow his release Friday, citing further
discussions needed about the terms, including whether or not he would be
allowed out of state.

Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester also said that Zimmerman must not have any
contact with the victim's family; must wear an ankle monitoring
bracelet; and adhere to a 7 p.m. to 6 a.m. curfew. The judge's order
also states that Zimmerman cannot be in possession of firearms; and must
not consume alcohol or controlled substances.

Taking the stand during the hearing at the Seminole County Criminal
Justice Center, Zimmerman addressed the parents of Martin, who were
seated in court: "I wanted to say that I am sorry for the loss of your
son.

"I did not know how old he was," he said. "I thought he was a little bit
younger than I am. And I did not know whether he was armed or not."

Zimmerman said he had made a similar statement to police. "I was told
not to communicate with them," he said. "I did ask [my attorneys] to
express that to them."



I would caution anyone reading harrys edited, out of context, and cherry
picked statements to go on line and listen to what the judge said,
another words, watch the whole hearing so you can have it all in
context. I already know harry and plum won't do that, or won't care so
we can pretty much dismiss anything they say here about it...



Uh...the news item I posted is easy enough to check, **** for brains. I
didn't edit it and it isn't out of context. What it isn't is your
uneducated, ignorant take on reality.

Here is some additional information:

As part of the conditions of his release, Judge Kenneth Lester
instructed that Zimmerman not be allowed to possess firearms of any
kind, nor can he use alcohol or have any contact with the Martin family.
The judge imposed a curfew from 7 p.m. to 6 a.m. on Zimmerman and said
he should be fitted with a GPS monitoring device. He said that if
Zimmerman and his attorney can work it out with the sheriff's
department, he had no objection to Zimmerman residing out of state
before the trial begins.

The part about the sheriff and leaving the state is later news.
It has to be "worked out," the judge said.