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On 2/23/2012 11:18 PM, Califbill wrote:
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On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:03:59 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

How does a
morbidly obese person affect you second hand like smokers do?

Higher health care costs?
Ever been stuck in the center seat on an airliner between two fat
****ers ? I would rather they were skinny people, smoking.

I've already been over that. With smokers, you not only get the benefit
of having to pay for their continued healthcare, you also get the
benefit of a high risk of cancer, heart disease, stroke, emphysema,
etc.
by being forced to inhale their smoke. No other disease or addiction
does that.

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Smokers have been shown to have less of an overall societal cost than
non
smokers in some studies. They die earlier with less end of live cost,
and
less social security payout. Plus the enormous amount of taxes they
have
paid to smoke. Lots more than the health insurance for smokers only
would
have cost. Plus look how much money they put in circulation. One of the
reasons Altria has been one of the best investments since 1970.

Then you're not taking into account the toll from second hand smoke.

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No studies have really proved that much damage from 2nd hand smoke. but
the $2-3+ tax on each pack of cigarettes will pay for any extra societal
costs. And I think NY has about an $8 a pack tax. NYC adds to that some
more tax. Might as well agree to a carbon tax, extra boat taxes Maybe
$2k a year for a powered recreational boat. Boat not really needed and
some of those people who think that kayaks and man powered vessels
should be the only thing on waterways. Where you going to stop excess
taxing? NY hid their overspending by adding a couple bucks tax to each
pack. Why should just one segment pay for the rest overspending? Now
that you agree to a tax for consuming an unhealthy substance, please
cough up 200% tax on each McD burger and 500% on fries. Probably McD and
Burger King and Jack kill more than all the tobacco companies combined.
Obesity is an epidemic!

You better believe it. Something like 34% of the nation is obese and
almost literally each and every one of them WILL have health problems
related to it before they die. Fat people seem to get a pass even though
they are probably a lot more of a drain on society than smokers...

Smoke away! Get your kids hooked on them too! Someone else's obesity
doesn't harm your health. Someone else's smoke does. It's that simple.

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Sure that obesity harms my health. My financial health. And how many
people are harmed by 2nd hand smoke? Most public smoking is prohibited, so
mostly smokers hurt their families, and maybe both parents smoke. Not good
for the kid, but look how many obese parents are feeding their kids the same
crab that makes the parents obese. Probably more than smokers hurting their
offspring. Admitted smoking is a nasty habit, but so are other habits. But
we are supposed to be the land of the free. Free to screw yourself up
should be one of the main freedoms.

Once again. Smoking harms others, not just the smoker. THAT is the crime
here. And for someone to say that they have a right to harm others is
stupid. I could care less if somebody wants to kill themselves slowly
with smoke. The trouble is when they are harming others. And they do.