I just blocked JAX completely a long time ago. I wouldn't even know he was
here if folks didn't reply to him. Just a troll. "Message, block sender"
Works like a charm.

--


Keith
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"I could tell my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a
radio." - Rodney Dangerfield
"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
Sorry jaxie, you're still making up BS. Here's another FTC link, which is
pretty explicit that goods must be shipped within 30 days of payment.
However,
there is no "$10,000" penalty, there are guidelines for how to offer to
return
the money.

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/.../mailorder.htm

"When you offer to sell merchandise, you must have a "reasonable basis"
for:
any express or implied shipment representation, or
believing you can ship within 30 days of receipt of an order -- if
you
make no shipment representation or if the shipment representation is not
clear
and conspicuous.
...
The "clock" on your obligation to ship or take other action under the Rule
begins as soon as you receive a "properly completed" order. An order is
properly
completed when you receive the correct full or partial (in whatever form
you
accept) payment, accompanied by all the information you need to fill the
order.
Payment may be by cash, check, money order, the customer's authorization
to
charge an existing account (including one you have created for the
customer),
the customer's application to you for credit to pay for the order, or any
substitute for these transactions that you accept.
It is irrelevant when you post or deposit payment, when checks clear, or
when
your bank credits your account. The clock begins to run when you receive a
properly completed order."


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, you screwed up *again*. what you quoted is the FTC regulation
regarding ship after order date for mail orders. It is a $10,000 fine
to
ship
*after* 30 days *after* an order.

The charging only after shipment or customer authorization to charge
earlier
is
in no way related to the FTC 30-Day Mail Order rule.

It is against the law to charge a credit card before shipment unless
specificly
authorized by the credit card user.

On a whim, I did a simple google and within a few minutes found a
number of
docs
on the FTC site, such as:
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/1996/06/cybersho.htm

It appears that the requirement is a good faith effort to ship within
30
days.
Some credit card companies may require "ship before bill" but it is not
the
law.

BTW, I usually pay Boat/US by credit card, and they always say "do you
want
me
to charge this now?" Since its usually a few days before renewal,
(and well
within the grace period) I always say yes.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, is was -- to say the least -- very big news some time back.
ask
your
wife to explain it to you.

In other words, you don't know, you just made it up. Typical
jaxie - make
up
nonsense and then try to bluff your way out.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
US Federal law.

Could you tell us what law this is? I'm curious because I put in
an
Amazon
order yesterday and they say it might be shipping tomorrow, but
the
charges
have
already shown on my credit card. I know that many venders honor
the
practice
of
only billing after shipping, but I don't think its the law.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
it is in the agreement that payment is made upon order,
otherwise the
law
is
clear.

dougeies, it is against federal law to charge a credit card
before
services are
rendered/product is shipped. What word don't you
understand?

Are you sure about that? I have had a web-shop, using PayPal.
The
moment
someone ordered a product, Paypal immediately charged his/her
creditcard
and
an e-mail was sent to me to inform me of the payment made so I
could
ship
the goods. This is standard practise. Now don't tell me the
entire
Paypal
system would be against federal law.

Meindert