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It isn't about good will, it is about a sellout. Islam has declared
Israel an enemy of state. Reminds me of "peac in our time pre-WW II.

Maybe give Alaska back to the Russians while you are at it. And the US
Canadian border to the west should be a few degrees south.

Maybe give the Mexicans California and Texas back.

It doesn't end.
In this case it would be more like letting the Germans keep Poland but
the Texas California situation might be similar. We took that as the
spoils of war.
(We bought Alaska)
I really thought the idea of wars of conquest went out since the 40s
when we gave everything back that we took in WWII. In fact the US has
given back virtually everything it has taken in war since 1898. We
pretty much only have Puerto Rico and a small patch in Cuba today.

The only lasting peace in the middle east will have to start at the
1967 borders.
Fact is, go back far enough, Israel has claim. Islam fascism didn't get
brewing until 630AD....

So picking some arbitrary point in time between then and now...sort of
arrogant of Obama to say that. If I was Israel, I would open up talks
with the Russians and Chinese.... US is an UNRELIABLE ally.
Russia and China might want them to go back to the pre-1948 borders.
It should be noted that the Saudis are nuzzling up to the Chinese as
we speak and most of the Arab world was aligned with the Soviets until
fairly recently. The thing that changed that was Mubarak aligning
himself with the US and getting billions in US military aid about 30
years ago. Then a week into the protests we threw him under the bus.
It would not be surprising that they started looking East for a
friend.
I just *love* your "conservative" view of history. Egypt began getting
U.S. military aid *after* it came to terms with a peace treaty with
Israel. You know, the deal Jimmy Carter brokered.
I didn't say what prompted the cooperation but you are right.
It is amazing what you can get if you promise to upgrade a country's
obsolete Soviet hardware with first line US hardware and a billion
dollar's worth of training to use them.
It is also significant that the guy we cut that deal with is gone. We
are still not sure who will rise up from the shambles in Egypt but we
hope it turns out better than Iran.

The peace deal was signed with Sadat, who was assassinated. It was
always a tragedy that the aftermath threw up Mubarak who, after all, was
just another right-wing dictator, the kind we always seem to support.
Sadat and Mubarak were basically the same guy (Egyptian military
buddies) and they both signed on to the Carter deal. I imagine the
assassins wanted to kill him too. (he was slightly wounded)
The open question is what is going to happen when this gets tossed
back to the Egyptian people who may be guided by the Muslim
brotherhood (if we can't elevate another US friendly military
dictator to power) and I doubt we have that kind of influence today.
Right wing nonsense. Nobody including the MB wants violence. They're
renounced it in public more than a few times.
You are either stupid or naieve or both. The Muslim Brotherhood wants a
country and Egypt is up for grabs right now.

Of course, you're just interested in your own right-wing agenda of a
fear-based foreign policy.
Foreign policy is rooted in national security.
The MB has renounced violence. Sorry if that disturbs your distorted
view of the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood

If you want to believe them your are free to do so. The rest of the
world does not trust the Muslim Brotherhood.

Foreign policy is certainly rooted in national security, but it not
rooted in right wing extremism, which is what you promote.

I promote American exceptionalism. The USA is the greatest country the
Earth has ever known.


It was for a while, until greed took over in 1981.

Have you ever had a non political thought in your life?