On 06/05/2011 4:22 AM, Harryk wrote:
I_am_Tosk wrote:
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On 05/05/2011 1:00 PM, Harryk wrote:
John H wrote:
On Thu, 05 May 2011 14:04:53 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 04 May 2011 15:57:05 -0400,
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I am happy that Obama has repealed the flawed Carter policy of not
targeting people for assassination.
Maybe some day we can return to the Eisenhower policy of shaping
civil
war outcomes using covert means and without sending in a 150,000
troops.
It was certainly clear that we could have taken OBL alive but they
made the right choice and blew his head off on site.
Plume, before you protest that, are you really saying a SEAL could
not have wrestled a sickly, 54 year old, unarmed man to the
ground if
he wanted to? They saw him, they shot him end of story.
I prefer to deal with what we know...or were told. We were told
Osama
was given an opportunity to surrender and live or go out in a
blaze of
what he probably assumed was glory. We were told he chose the
latter.
That's no different than the choices the police in this country
offer
dangerous fugitives who they have cornered or who respond by opening
fire. It usually is referred to as "Death by Cop."
Assuming that was the case, I don't have a problem with the
outcome. A
trial would have been long and messy, but it is our way to try
criminals
and prove their guilt in a court of law. To dispose of criminals
otherwise brings us down to the level of the terrorists.
The reports coming back from the SEALs is that there was only one
armed man there, who they shot right away. It is clear they wanted to
kill OBL. I think that was a wise choice.
Very. But it was not in keeping with the liberal interpretation of
'American values'.
The "conservative interpretation" of American values is to shoot, no
matter what? That's the sort of stupidity that got us into Iraq.
Mind you, I don't oppose the shooting of bin Laden, assuming he was
given a chance to surrender alive and turned it down.
If it were you son looking Osama in the eye, and Osama pull a hand into
hidden view --
Would you want your son to chance it that Osama wasn't going for a
grenade, bomb or firearm?
The way they are trained, they could have taken him alive.. Period. It
was a hit, pure and simple. There is no way they were gonna' let Osama
tell the world about the co-operation he was getting from all the
countries involved...
I find it humorous that Canuck and Snotty, two of the three most
ignorant conspiracy theorists on rec.boats, in this and in other posts,
have yet more conspiracies.
Since I wasn't in the room and videos haven't been shown, I don't know
what happened immediately before Osama was shot dead. My *hope* was that
he was indeed first given an opportunity to surrender. As I have stated
previously, it wouldn't bother me to learn he was shot while resisting
capture/arrest.
Part of me believe many of the conspiracy types work for the government.
The idea is to discredit the conspiracy theorists by exaggerating the
claims to the level of stupidity, when in fact some truth to it may exist.
I agree with government, 9/11 happened as they say. But I also believe
they know more than they are letting on in the subsequent events. I
also believe the timing of Osama's death is quite well timed.
Gadhafi assassination attempt for example, innocent kids murdered and
public sediment against the practice going fast against USA, Obama
needed to deflect the blame fast so he played the Osama card. I do not
believe the time of Osama's death was a coincidence one single bit.
It became in Obama's self interest to be the right time to get Osama.
Take John Wheeler and Ashley Turton. Coincidence? To me Coincidence
means you just can't explain why. Not much of anything is truly a
coincidence.
Back to Gadhafi, the motives in assassinating him are not pure as in an
attach on the USA like 9/11. They are in fact quite different and are
of greed and control based. Real reasons US-NATO-UN-IMF-France want
Gadadfi...
- low debt Central Bank of Libya not IMF friendly.
- oil
- Gadhafi a supported of a United African state, funded it. Gbadbo of
Ivory Coast also supported it. Bad for colonialism.
- colonial interest, Gadafi like Gbagbo said they might nationalize
French interests (2010).
Libya rebels are less than 1% usually unemployed young males of the
population and do not have the support of the people at large. They are
a minority militant rebels with al Quada affiliations disrupting a country.
Would not be much different if a 20,000 band of citizens disrupted the
USA really. As this makes it clearly a civil issue and represents zero
threat to other countries.
So in my opinion, with what we know, and unless homes fly with kids in
them, USA is in clear violation of law in these multiple assassination
attempts in Libya. But we know the UN-IMF is behind it so good luck
seeing justice.
--
I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with
fleabagger debt.
Take a look at ANY country, more debt more problems. So why do we allow
our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial?