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On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:15:57 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 10:44:54 -0700, wrote:

Feel free to claim victory. JFK... such a terrible president, esp.
compared to who.. Nixon?

I will give you my JFK challenge. Name 3 great things he did.

Averted a nuclear exchange with the Russians.

He barely dodged a bullet he fired himself. The Cuban missile crisis
was all JFKs doing, thinking with his dick and not his head. In the
end, we took the same deal from the Soviets they wanted before the
whole thing started (removing missiles from Turkey). Basically they
pushed and we backed down, in spite of all the saber rattling.

Nonsense. He was a new president and was pushed by the generals to do
more than was right. He did everything right after that wrt the
Russians, despite your views.

Space program to go to the moon.

He made the challenge but had very little to do with actually
implementing it.

Sure... whatever. I guess you think he was supposed to be out there on
the pad filling the fuel tanks or something.

Civil Rights, which LBJ finished.

That was all LBJ, JFK resisted that legislation.

Total nonsense. I guess you don't know much about history, even recent
history, like him bringing in the Fed marshals and nationalizing the
Alabama Nat. Guard. Oops... try again.

Nixon is easy (Legislation like EPA and OSHA, opening up China, SALT 1
with the Soviets) These are things that are still relevant today.

Yet, you hate EPA and OSHA.

Did I ever say that? I probably have better environmental credentials
than you do. How many hours did you volunteer for your DEP last month?
Last year? This decade?

Doubtful. You'd like to see them both disbanded I'm sure. I don't need
to brag about how much time I spend volunteering. I have a business. I
don't have retirement time. You do.

You want to coddle China?

What does changing China from a cold war enemy to a trading partner
have to do with Coddling? That was Clinton who signed the disastrous
trade deal.

You and your right-wing buddies believe that China is going to rule
the world, so I guess you're not coddling them. My mistake. You're
just being paranoid.

So, Nixon "opened up China" but Clinton created a trading partner? How
did Nixon "open up China"? He visited? That's it? He got on a plane?

The Republicans
nearly botched the latest arms control treaty.

That is not what we are talking about is it?

You mentioned the Start 1. So, it is what we're "talking about' even
if you want to claim I've "changed the subject."

What did we get from JFK that is still relevant today? Cuba?

See previous.

What is still relevant today, again?

In your mind, nothing. That doesn't make it reality.

Now it's my turn... list three things Bush II did right.

You are doing it again, that is not what we are talking about it.
You are certainly a one trick pony. No matter what we are talking
about, you come back to GW Bush. You are simply obsessed.

I'm sorry if you're unable to answer a simple question.