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On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 15:22:52 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:39:39 -0400, Harryk
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On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 12:06:53 -0400,
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I saw that show and it is significant that these were "at risk" kids.
I believe it will take time to turn them around.

I do believe that teachers should be paid by their performance and not
just time in grade, particularly since you can't really get rid of a
bad teacher.

One problem is that "performance" is too closely linked to the results
of "standardized testing," and all those tests really test is whether
the kids memorized those parts of their lessons that appear on the
tests. The test results do not tell you if the kids are learning
anything significant or, just as important, how to think.

You better get used to standardized tests. That is the way the world
judges people. You can do much of anything these days without passing
a test.

If the test is well written, "memorizing the answer" is actually
learning the material since no 2 kids will get exactly the same test.
We are moving to computer generated testing where there is a huge pool
of questions and they randomize the tests.

The tests do nothing or little to show whether a kid can think.
Regurgitating canned information is not thinking.

Nobody has ever convinced me the public school system ever helped kids
"think".
They simply indoctrinate using a system of vertical integration where
there is very little opportunity for any new thoughts. The people in
the administration assure the people coming up think exactly like they
do and that perpetuates itself as they continue moving up through a
very narrow pipe.

K12 is mostly memorizing anyway.

Totally disagree... A well-rounded education K-12 does exactly that.
It teaches and inspires kids to go further.