"Bruce" wrote in message
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On Sat, 5 Mar 2011 18:46:43 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
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"Bruce" wrote in message
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On Sat, 5 Mar 2011 12:20:12 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
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"Bruce" wrote in message
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Ah... Willie, these are all patents, no record of them ever being
manufactured. Show us a vendor.... otherwise it is all smoke and
mirrors.

If you object to those, then here is a very popular cam piton that isn't
hammered in:

http://www.mrcarabiner.com/gear_shop...on--left-.html

You must enjoy being smacked down, Bruce. LOL! How many times must I
prove
you wrong before you withdraw an erroneous statement?

Nice try Willie-boy but you need to read the small print. These are
specialized pitons to use in thin cracks. and you don't simply "place"
them into the crack you tap, i.e., use a hammer to drive them in. the
site you quoted has a spelling mistake (topping for tapping) but other
sites use the correct spelling.

So, once again you take a prat-fall right out in public.


But, the site mentions NOTHING about 'hammering them in.' And you said
pitons were always hammered in. One can tap in a cam type piton with
another
piton, for example, or one can simply slide it in and the cam action
tightens it into the crack and makes it secure. No hammer necessary.

Try to read with comprehension, please.


Wilbur Hubbard

Willie, you are simply ridiculous. Here you are hanging over a 1,000
ft. drop and you go to place the next piton that is going to support
you as you rappel down the cliff face. And you are going to daintily
slide the piton in a crack, and hook on and let go your present
anchor?

You might say that you are; sitting there in your easy-boy recliner.
But if you really were up on that face you'd hammer that sucker in,
just like everyone does.

Cheers,

Bruce



Duh! Rock climbing is all about GOING UP! Real rock climbers use pitons
mainly for belay and safety lines. Most rock faces nowadays have lots of
pitons already in place. Cam-type pitons are for existing cracks and they
work just fine with no hammering in at all.

I have done some rock climbing, have you? My rock climbing was mostly in the
context of spelunking. You don't hammer pitons into solid rock. You must
look for cracks or soft spots. Cam type pitons are very secure when placed
in cracks of workable width. Get a clue.

Wilbur Hubbard