"Bruce" wrote in message
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Ah... Willie, these are all patents, no record of them ever being
manufactured. Show us a vendor.... otherwise it is all smoke and
mirrors.

If you object to those, then here is a very popular cam piton that isn't
hammered in:

http://www.mrcarabiner.com/gear_shop...on--left-.html

You must enjoy being smacked down, Bruce. LOL! How many times must I prove
you wrong before you withdraw an erroneous statement?




Wilbur Hubbard