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On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 23:56:27 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 20:41:42 -0800, wrote:

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 23:08:05 -0500, wrote:

That chart in link 2 assumes an unrealistic rise in GDP and the idea
that the salaries of the people paying in will rise that fast too.
Talk to Bob about how that has been going. The problem is demographic
and you don't have a chart to dispute that.

No matter what chart or what fact I show you, you're not going to
change your mind. So, what's the point?

You are the one who keeps changing the subject when you get backed
into a corner. I say SS and Medicare is upside down. You present a
chart that says SS and Medicare are not only upside down but will be
in the red forever and try to say that is fine.

I haven't changed the subject at all. I've said and will continue to
say that this is a long-term problem not a short one. Holding people
hostage of this (what's happening in the House as an example) is worse
than nonsense.

Well it might have BEEN a long term problem in 1964 when Goldwater
wanted to fix it but this is 2011 and the plane has crashed into the
mountain. Outgo is less than income. Both programs are under water and
there is still no real plan to fix it. The current Obama plan seems to
be to reduce revenue, they just reduced the payroll tax 2%. Very
republican of him huh?
BTW your chart does not take that into account.

It's still a long term problem with long term fixes available. It
doesn't need to be fixed this year or next on the backs of the lower
and middle classes. Both programs are NOT underwater, although they
will be if nothing is done. It's a right wing fantasy.