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On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 19:32:03 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 10:27:32 -0800, wrote:

On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 01:14:05 -0500, wrote:

Clinton could have pulled the plug too but he didn't. It just went
down hill from there.

So, he should have listened to his generals? Just a while ago, you
were claiming he shouldn't have. Pick one please.

I have never changed my opinion about Iraq. I have always said get out
now.

Listening to generals will give you their plan to win, not whether you
should be there at all.

So, in a war you don't want to know how to win, you just want to
decide without any facts.

I am saying it is the general's job to have a plan to win, no matter
what the cost.

But, he shouldn't be listened to, even if the plan sounds reasonable.
Since Bush barely served in the Guard, I'm sure that would make him
qualified to know.

They are not the people to ask if you want to know if you should be
there at all. No general who wants to stay a general will tell his
boss "this is hopeless and there is no way to win". They come up with
something and it is usually "I just need more (troops, guns, air
support or whatever)"

I don't know any generals, but it seems to me that honesty is the best
policy, esp. if asked by one's boss. Are you saying all of them lied
to Bush and all of them are lying to Obama??