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On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 01:27:11 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 09 Feb 2011 21:05:21 -0800, wrote:

On Wed, 09 Feb 2011 21:21:01 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 09 Feb 2011 13:04:21 -0800, wrote:

The open question is how many acts of war does it take before you have
a war.
This is Obama's "Cambodia".

Again with the VN war reference. It's a bit long in the tooth. Find
another analogy.

It is hard to find examples of obfuscation, duplicity and futility
like this without invoking Vietnam.

There's no comparison between Obama and LBJ/Nixon. Sorry.

We are not talking about personalities, we are talking about
situations.

The situations are similar on some level I'm sure, not similar on
others.

For some of us, that was not really very long ago and we remember the
lies. The people who remember the lies most vividly are the soldiers
who saw it happening right in front of them with their ass on the line

In any case, this has nothing to do with Obama. He isn't the one who's
lying or lied about either war.

He lies by omission. Do you really know our level of participation in
the Pakistani incursions?

So, you believe that all facts should be exposed to the general
public, even if it's not in their best interest? How about when
Bush/Cheney manipulated facts to suit them? Was that ok?

We are not going to know about it until a Delta team is captured and
put on trial in Islamabad for a war crime or when they shoot down one
of our drones after it bombs a village.

And you would prefer drones? Make up your mind.

Then like now. the government lied about the mission, they lied about
the progress and in the end they lied about what we actually hoped to
achieve.

Which administration? Bush, I agree. He lied.

It is still going on.

Obama is not lying about why we are in Iraq. Sorry if that flies in
the face of your belief system.

I know you are young and got caught up in the rhetoric but some of us
are old enough to be having our "you can fool us once ..." moment.

Sure. Whatever.

I was like you in 1968. I thought we really needed to stop the commie
menace in SE Asia.
You have the same thing going on with OBL.

Except that the military doesn't view him as the #1 threat any more
and have said so publicly. Try again.

Do you know he is not even the guy we want the most right now?
It is Anwar Al-Awlaki and he is 1500 miles from Afghanistan in a place
where we have zero military presence.

Yes. I know this. Your point? Should we execute him or bring him home
for trial?