"Bruce" wrote in message
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On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 10:17:53 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
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If you have a boat that is fifty feet LOA and she is in a wave train that
is
45 feet crest to crest just imagine what happens when running. Yes, the
bow
goes up the wave in front and the stern drops just in time for the crest
of
the following wave to poop the hell out of the transom. A 25-foot boat is
totally unaffected.

Good thinking.... and true, however...

Now, you're finally talking sense. It's suprising how lucid you can be when
sober. LOL!

A wave that was only 45 feet from crest to crest is a pretty small
wave. In fact, I can't even find a calculation that can be used to
calculate the dimensions of a wave this small. The closest I can find
by interpretation from the charts I have is:

A wave with a velocity of 10 M/S (36 MPH) in 10 M (~32 ft.) of water
would have a wave period of less then 4 seconds and a length of 200 M.

In other words your example is a highly unlikely (perhaps impossible)
situation.

I guess you never sailed in really shallow water as in under six feet depth?
You've apparently no concept of a 'short chop'? Or I suppose you never
sailed in a strong current that shortens and heaps up the wave train? Like
in the Gulf Stream? You're book-learning seems to lack what my practical
experience teaches.


snippage


You are perfectly correct that you claim to have sailed thousands of
miles. In more challenging conditions then I, and you again claim that
conditions were more challenging, and all of it coastal, i.e., never
out of sight of land. But that is your claim.

I've actually done it.

You can't remember things that may or may not have happened 35-some-odd
years ago.


snippage

What absolutely ignorance.

Says the Rube who lives ashore now and at the docks for thirty years. Yah,
right!


A Home, is it? Well, I've lived on a sailboat for most of 20 years
now.

Most of us real cruisers don't live "on" a sailboat. We live "in" or
"aboard" our sailboats. You even talk like a lubber. What's wrong with you?


A time machine? Well, I'll admit I am getting older.

Aren't we all?


An "interface dancer"? what in the world is that?

You have the air, you have the water. That which lies in between is called
the interface. Duh! A saiboat works the interface. A sailboat wouldn't work
in the air alone or in the water alone. It dances along the interface
between the air and water. Those of who know how to really handle our boats
well can be said to be like smooth and accomplished dancers though we
"dance" with our sailing machines.


A compilation of systems? What are you going on about?

If you don't know they you PROVE you are no sailor.


Sailing a boat is hardly as difficult or challenging as flying an
airplane and I could do that, albeit with an adult in the plane, when
I was 12 years old.


I disagree. Doing sailing RIGHT is more of a challenge than flying an
airplane. I've done both so I know of which I speak.


I sailed a 28 (FOD) Miscongus Bay Sloop (you may call it a "Friendship
Sloop, but that is wrong), with no engine, for several years up and
down the Maine coast with a one burner kerosene stove, a compass and a
Mobile Oil road map. No electrics except for a flashlight; no radio.
Canvas sails, manila ropes and a lead line.

Sadly, you apparently haven't progress much beyond that basic level after
all these long years. LOL!

I built my first boat when I was 12 years old (with my father's help.
It was only a small row boat, but it was a boat.

I have always made my own repairs, wood, fiberglass hulls, Wood and
aluminum spars, I can (under duress) splice wire rope from 1 X 19
through 7 X 7, and could do that since I was 19. I was a code welder
and can weld most metals including aluminum and titanium.

It's good to have some skills but those skills have little or nothing to do
with sailing.



So don't go blathering on about the romance of boating. The essence of
a boat is "another way to get there".

So hopelessly naive and clueless you are, Bruce. You refuse to see any
romance in sailing. It's quite sad as your ridgid frame of mind has you
missing the best part of sailing.

If you don't believe read Bill Tilman, CBE, DSO, MC and Bar, was
rather famous mountaineer and sailor who when asked why he took up
sailing replied, "There were a lot of mountains I wanted to climb that
were only accessible by boat... So I learned to sail one in order to
get to the mountains".

What silly rhetoric. The guy's a mountain climber who used a boat as
transportation only. He had love only for mountain climbing. He never
professed to be a sailor. You do, yet you have the same concept of a
sailboat as only a way to get from one place to another. What kind of a fool
says such a thing? What kind of a moron uses the slowest method of transport
of all if his goal is only to arrive at a destination. May I suggest you
travel by air next time.

Your attitude that a sailboat is just
transportion tells me you weren't ever able to appreciate what a sailboat
really is by virtue of the fact of your self-centeredness and ungodliness
where you place yourself in the center of the universe. This arrogance is
why you failed - you failed to appreciated the beauty of the machine and
the
lifestyle. You viewed it as just another way to move your sorry fat
carcass
around. This is so sad.

Failed? I'd say that I succeed. After all, I got to exactly where I
was going.

In spite of the fact that where you were going was only defined after the
fact tha the voyage ground to a halt halfway short of its original goal.
That is a failure in anybody but a liberal's mind.


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Perhaps you are to be pitied because you are too staid to ever appreciate
the beauty, romance, utility and connectedness of sailing. But, now all
our
readers understand why you failed - one cannot master something one does
not
understand.

You have a rather overheated imagination. Try talking to anyone who
has actually sailed somewhere and see whether your ethereal and
romantic outlook finds a soul mate.

You defeat your every point. If people thought sailing and boats were only a
tool that can be abided grudglingly as a means to a destination then they
are total morons to keep using such a poor tool for the job. What kind of an
imbecile claims the destination is all yet takes the slowest and most
arduous method of transport towards the goal. C'mon. You can't actually
believe what you're trying to claim.


The usual "sea story"of a real sailor after a trip is more like, "The
damned autopilot broke down about a week out and we had to hand steer
all the way". Or, perhaps, "We didn't have a breath of wind and had to
motor for two weeks". Another I heard was, "a damned storm hit us
about 200 miles north of Chagos and we layed a-hull for three days
before we could get going".


Now, who is reading magazine articles. Like I stated in a post elsewhere
those magazines are sold to wannabes and these wannabes want to read about
clueless dolts as incompent as they, themselves, are so they won't feel like
they can't cut the mustard. The entire sailing magazine industry is nothing
but a compendium of ineptitude.


I have never heard a real sailor rabbit on about romance,
connectedness or any of the other platitudes heard from the romantic
dreamers who's maritime experience is measured by how many books
they've read.


Perhaps you just aren't exposed to real sailors there at the squalid Bangkok
dock?


Wilbur Hubbard