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John H[_2_]

On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 16:54:57 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 11:58:47 -0800, wrote:

On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 01:55:03 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 21:59:41 -0800, wrote:

On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 21:32:26 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:36:13 -0800, wrote:

Yes, in spite of all the hype. So, I guess just torturing a few
people, well that's ok? The fact is that there are other ways people
were tortured, but I guess you don't remember Abu Ghraib.

Maybe you should be more curious where the prisoners are. Do you
really think Karzai's goons are just putting panties on people's heads
or even waterboarding them when they want information. Those people
understand what torture really is. Since we don't really acknowledge
these prisoners even exist, they do not have to live through the
interrogation.

Google up "extraordinary rendition" and get back to me.

Maybe you should be more curious about getting to the bottom of the
serial liars Bush/Cheney. They screwed over the American people over
the course of two terms. Of course, it's Obama's fault or Clinton's or
Carters. Certainly not the laissez faire nonsense that was promoted by
Reagan and the Bushs.

You want to talk about Bush and Reagan but Clinton and Carter are off
limits. That's Bull****

What would you like to talk about re them? Under Clinton, the economy
was booming, despite the "higher taxes." Under Carter, the economy was
terrible, and he didn't act as presidential as he should have. He did
get lots and lots of good things through Congress.

It is also ancient history. What are we doing right now? What will we
do tomorrow? That is far more important. The fact remain the US is not
taking prisoners right now. We may have Karzai's goons doing it but
you can't seem to cite any we have now.
Did you ever look up that rendition thing?

Uh huh. It's ancient history, until you bring up Reagan? Isn't
Clinton/Carter ancient history, or are they fair game? Try to be
consistent.

I didn't bring up Reagan, you did.

Obama has traded patrols out into the countryside and capturing
prisoners for just killing them in place with drones as the US policy.
It is certainly safer for the US troops but it is not good for our
reputation in the region or the world.

Our reputation was destroyed by Bush. It's much better now, but I
didn't think you cared, so why are you bringing it up?

Obama is not improving that, in fact our approval in Afghanistan is
lower now than it was with Bush.

It is also not really very effective. We are just at war with their
birth rate at this point. (Actually what McCrystal said before he was
fired). We are killing "terrorists" who were babies when 9-11
happened.

What McCrystal said was to undermine his boss. He got fired for that.

That was not what he said that got him fired.
He said the president was clueless and referred to the VP as "Bite Me"
among other things.

I still don't see what he said that was wrong.