On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 21:31:09 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 20:10:03 -0500, W1TEF
wrote:

On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 21:57:05 -0500, Gene
wrote:

On Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:57:42 -0500, BAR wrote:

http://www.independent.co.uk/environ...-just-a-thing-
of-the-past-724017.html

That article is 10 years old. THIS year, Europe has been clobbered
with snow....just as predicted by the global increase in
temperature....

If only there were some natural mechanism for explaining the warming
and cooling of the earth.

Obviously, there is.....

It would have to be unreasonably large, however -- on the scale of our
own sun.

Exactly.....

Oh wait - yes there is!!!!

http://www.solarcycle24.com/pictures/spots.jpg

See Dalton Minimum for more information. :)

Obviously, this is all documented.... what is NEW is the amount of
contribution of warming by human intervention. Is it huge-er than
anything contributed by the SUN? No, demonstrably not.....

..then comes the concept of the tipping point.....

...true or not true? I don't think we have science good enough to
tell. (Well, the science is good, the data sucks....)

Life lesson: About 30 years ago, I was involved in take off,
estimation, and purchasing involved in the potential of a huge-ass
stacker reclaimer project to be located in Charleston....

Long story short.... the VP in charge of sales balked at going over
the details YET AGAIN... and the VP in charge of manufacturing
replied, "godammit, do you mind if we go over it again, it is XX
million dollars we are discussing..." a misstep would have bankrupted
the company....

Now.... as I see it, we have the same problem.... if the contribution
of heat by man is sufficient, if there *IS* a tipping point, it could
mean the end of life as we know it.....

It *always* deserves a second consideration.... especially
consideration of the finality of a wrong answer...

We have the correct and verifiable answers? Al Gore is right? Global
warming is caused by man?

No.... just, no. The penalty for error? Can we count again.....?

Sounds logical to me.