On Nov 26, 6:00*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 25 Nov 2010 14:03:33 -0800 (PST), "Jack."





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On Nov 25, 1:13*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 25 Nov 2010 07:48:26 -0800 (PST), "Jack."

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On Nov 24, 8:39*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 14:19:37 -0800 (PST), "Jack."

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On Nov 24, 4:42*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 15:18:16 -0500, "MMC" wrote:
I agree with Ken, I'm not afraid of someone seeing my scanned image,
having some guy search me for contraband or making me take off my
jacket and shoes. As long as EVERYONE has to follow the same
production and EVERYONE is subjected to the same inconvenience, we'll
all stay safe.

It's unfortunate things have gotten to this point but, maybe because
of the new rules, at least they got home safe.

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The company that makes the screening machines is represented by Michael
Chertoff, former DHS head (DHS owns TSA) and the machines are being bought
with Obama bailout money (another 1,000 for $300M). I guess that makes it
bipartisan?
If the new measures were above board, why can you be charged (and fined up
to $11k) for not playing along instead of just not being allowed to board,
like before?
It's about corruption and coercion, under the BS cover of security.

I'm boycotting air travel until Obamas wife and kids go thru this cr*p.

There's a big diff between being safe and feeling safe. It's a pretty
widely held understanding that the scanning and groping don't make us
safe. We need intelligent profiling, and we need a layered approach.
Most of this should happen before the airport.

This is all to make flying on a commercial flight safer, and it does
achieve something toward that. *It does not try to make the airport
itself safe... that has never been the goal. *If a terrorist simply
wants to kill lots of people, there are many environments that are
more target dense and less secure than an airport. *Concerts and
sporting events, to name two.

Something, but not very much. Why would a terrorist care if he killed
people on the ground vs. in the air? It's pretty obvious that anyone
trying to get on a plane has to go through a lot more hassle than
simply walking into the airport.

I thought the point was to make us safer? I don't recall DHS claiming
to make us safer only on the plane.

The conversation is about TSA agents and security screening at
airports. *That's only about airborne security.

Wider DHS measures are another thing completely.

So boarding isn't related to airborne security? Nice try!

??????? *The boarding process is exactly what we were talking about.
That begins when you leave the general area, process through TSA
security, and go to the gate area. *Ticketed passengers only. *It's
not just walking down the jetway. *Do you understand the distinction,
and process?

You said it was all about agents and security screening. I said that
the point was to make us safer when we fly. That has to include the
in-the-airport part, which is pre-boarding also.

No it doesn't. Now you want relatives, friends, grandma, etc... to
have to undergo patdowns when they come to meet you at your arriving
flight? That will *never* fly, pardon the pun. The intent of TSA has
always been to make *flying* safer. In fact, from their own website,
"deployed a Federal workforce to meet Congressional deadlines for
screening all commercial airline passengers and baggage." Not
screening grandma who meets you at your arriving flight, but rather
"commercial airline passengers and baggage". Their mission is
different from the one you're imagining here.


If you want to be safer while flying, don't allow the cockpit doors to
be opened during flights. Then, no matter what sharp implement is
available (and there are plenty) the pilots can't be involved other
than landing the plane.

?????? *The cockpit doors were reinforced after 9/11 to prevent forced
entry.

Have you not flow in the last 9 years?

Reinforcing them and not allowing them to be opened are two different
things. Have you not read anything related in the last 9 years?

They are reinforced to prevent unwanted opening. They *must* be able
to be opened to enable the crew to enter and exit. Reading can't take
the place of common sense. :-