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On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 13:15:31 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 09:39:48 -0700, wrote:

Actually I saw a Chinese lady on Charley Rose a few weeks ago
explaining why she and a lot of other Chinese students chose to go
back home when they graduate from an American school ... growth and
opportunity. They are growing exponentially and the US is not. We
scoff at a business where you may only be making a few cents a unit
but when your customer base is a billion, that is a lot of pennies.

As long as you don't mind being oppressed and censored, not to mention
practically no environmental regulations, sure lot's of "opportunity."
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You are basically describing the US back when we were great.

Come on.. Love Canal? McCarthy's era? Jim Crow? I think I'll pass.

Much like the Chinese, we didn't know we were oppressed.

So, I guess the active and vocal right and left media don't identify
any problems. Who knew? I guess you never heard of Edward R. Murrow
calling out McCarthyism?

In the 40s the press was not allowed to talk about the president's
health, in the 60s we couldn't talk about the president's girlfriends,
in the 50s, 60s and 70s we had the "equal time" law that restricted
political commentary on TV. There was plenty of censorship about
things that were "immoral" or just in bad taste on TV with the
government largely making that decision.

And this was when we were "great"???

And, it was mostly untrue. It was a gentleman's agreement not to talk
about it. All of the rest has changed, mostly for the better. That's
not happened in China, esp. if you're of a religion they don't like.

As for environmental laws. under our current law, there would have
been no Hoover Dam, the LA water system and hence the development of
most of Southern and central California. There would also not have
been a TVA, and that probably meant no atom bomb.

So, we should go back and keep on polluting? That's going to make us
great again?

We only have to look at the super fund sites to see what industries
would not exist with current laws. That may have been horrible
environmentally but it was the opportunity that let us dominate in
technology.

And, again... you want us to dominate what exactly? How about we
actually get our collective sh*t together, which means getting our
sh*t cleaned up, and actually competing through intellect
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As for personal freedom, we did not have the woman's right to chose,
civil rights, the EPA, OSHA, CPSC and other things the chinese lack.

Yet we do now. So, you're saying that a woman's right to VOTE or
Choose or be a full citizen was required to be competitive? You're
claiming we should scrap OSHA and the EPA for the sake of competing
with the Chinese??

Yet Bob says those were the last days that the middle class actually
got a raise. (pre 1973)

I don't know what Bob said.
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