"Jack" wrote in message
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On Oct 11, 8:23 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Jack" wrote in message

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On Oct 11, 1:46 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Jack" wrote in message

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On Oct 9, 10:15 am, BAR wrote:
In article 556f91cc-f256-4845-9f8d-
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On Oct 7, 7:34 pm, Jim wrote:
Just did a once-over on the docs for 2011 enrollment that came
in
the
mail, and a provider lookup.
Looks like my premiums are about the same as for 2010.

Looks like "Obamacare" caused my employer (large
multi-national)
to
squeeze out the HMO and probably keep the PPO price in check.
Figures, since they're paying 50% and have negotiating clout.

Jim - hehe.

Count yourself as very lucky. Those of us that work at much
smaller
companies saw increases in the 150 - 200% range. Efforts to reel
that
in included concessions like doubling of deductibles and max
out-of-
pockets amounts that range in the $2000-3000 ballpark.

Obamacare is VERY expensive for the majority of Americans.

Jack - not laughing

I haven't seen my 2011 benefits package yet nor has my wife seen
hers.

I work for a company of 40,000 employees and my wife works for a
company
of 170,000 employees. Over the past 5 years or so my health
insurance
has cost about $100 ever two weeks where my wife's has cost about
$200
per week. The plans are very similar but the costs are extremely
different. My cost is $2600 per year and my wife's is $10,400 per
year.
Obviously we go with my insurance.

Those are large enough companies that they can get good deals from
the
insurance companies. I work for a company of 75 employees. When we
went shopping for insurance (after the renewal came in with such a
large hike) several insurance companies told us they were no longer
even offering policies to companies under 100 employees.

So, if we had single-payer, you would be covered.

But, we don't. The Dems went behind closed doors, and forced through
an Obamanation of a healthcare bill that screws everyone that
currently has health insurance. The Dems, idiots they are, addressed
the issue and screwed the pooch. They'll now get properly thrown out
and someone else will have to clean up that mess.

Jack, Jack.... the Dems certainly didn't do all they could, but the
antagonists were certainly the Republicans, who have blocked and continue
to
block every single bit of meaningful legislation related to health care
and
jobs.

The ones who were locked out of the process, who at the time didn't
have the votes to change or stop it? Those Republicans? Em, you are
too easy. This one rests squarely on the dims. Buh-bye.


Locked out? Then how did all those Republican ideas get incorporated into
the bill? Jack, you're an idiot if you think the Republicans nutjobs have
any interest in what's best for this country. At least the Democrats tried.
So, you're afraid of the facts, and you bow out. Got it.