"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 21:50:10 GMT, "Colonel Kurtz"
wrote:


On 26-Sep-2010, bpuharic wrote:

The comparisn
in in $, so the "facts" are skewed. If red China's output were on a
monetary
wage equivalency with the inflated wages of the U.S. red China would be
4
times that of the U.S.

gee. too bad their wages suck, huh?


Hell NO! It's a tremendous advantage!

for the rich

oh...i forgot...you think wages are welfare.



oh, yeah...the US. i agree the US manufacturing sector is shrinking.
the right wing thinks wages are a form of welfare so they prefer to
manufacture in places where slavery is legal and there are no unions,
like china

It's like I'm in the same movie over and over.

yeah i know. you and rush keep telling us the middle class needs to be
destroyed so the rich can be happy.


Let's pretend you produce something, like coffee pots. Suddenly you
notice
most stores are handling cheaply made imported coffee pots and no one's
buying yours The buyers don't care, your $30 coffee pot lasts 10 years,
the
$20 coffee pots last one year. "Americans" think the $20 coffee pot is
"cheaper.". You 1) Close you business and pan handle, or, 2) move your
production overseas. Multiply that times tens of thousands of products.
Suddenly your neighborhood looks like the U.S. does now.

and let's look at the real world, OK? the US middle class worker
makes a coffee pot for 20% less than it cost 10 years ago. the rich
factory owner sells the pot and gives precisely

zero pay increases to the workers...which is what we have going today.

not in germany. france. sweden. switzerland. finland. norway

only in the US. and that's why you love the american rich. they're
doing to the middle class what you think should be done in other
countries.




I couldn't care less what you buy, it's your free choice, and to
suffer
from
the choices you make.

no, we suffer from the choices YOU make as a right wing enabler of
corporate thievery

A mere rant - go into detail. Who stole what from whom, and how?

productivity. see above



I regret that event - please explain what was stolen, and how.

what was stolen was the US middle class. funny you ignore the fact
germany, france, sweden and switzerland dont have this problem

you're kinda stupid that way. you're very emotional and dont like
facts

I explained that before. Europeans have a sense of nationalism;
"Americans"
do not.

americans have a sense of nationalism. europeans do not. ever been to
europe? apparently you haven't.

few countries are more nationalistic than the US. what the other
countries have that the US does NOT is a sense of fairness to middle
class wage earners. america has a LARGE conservative base. which is
pro rich. which is why the middle class is dying.


If you live in the U.S, even now, you wouldn't like living almost anywhere
as the "middle class" in Europe.

bull****

It most likely does not cost him 20% less to produce the coffee pot than 10
years ago. And that production cost is only 20% of the sales price. So
20% less production cost, with 40% higher taxes, means the pot sells for
about the same it did 10 years ago. Make it in China and the production
cost is cut 80%, Presidents previous to your hated Bush gave "Most favored
nation" status to China, and they get to ship here without any penalty.
They cut the sales price 10% and you can not sell your American made pot.
You want fairness, make the same rules for them as do for us. You want to
make cars in China or Japan or South Korea, their laws require you partner
with a Chinese company. Tell Toyota, et. al. which company you want to
partner with. We got 3 to choose from right now. Change the laws to match
theirs. I do not know where you work in Semiconductors, but you are being
paid less every year as you are stupid. Those Chinese Engineers that you
say do not exist are doing a better job for less money, on an H-1 visa.
China has lots of engineers in China. Lots are graduates of top American
universities. Tell the Legislative bodies that the budget has to be
balanced, and you only get paid with money left over from a balanced budget.
Not borrowing $0.46 of every $1.00 the government is spending federally.
Same goes for states.