On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 08:44:07 -0400, W1TEF wrote:
On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 09:26:40 -0400, bpuharic wrote:
uh no. what i said was that the rich, having stolen the entire economy
over the last 30 years, should pay the taxes on what they stole
But that's not consistent my friend. On the one hand, you want to
confiscate and redistribute the "stolen" wealth and have been loud and
vociferous in arguing for same. Now that those who would do what you
wish appear to have changed their minds for the sake of the "economy",
it's ok because at least something will be left for the little guy.
that's the nature of political reality. the right wing will hold the
middle class hostage, refusing to support any effort to support the
middle class.
You're still missing the point. Let me try again, if it was so bad
and stupid yesterday, then why is it ok and proper today? It's the
same issue - same policy - same procedure.
uh no. we have the right wing, which hates the middle class and wants
to destroy it with redistributionist taxes in favor of the rich
SO in order to protect the middle class we may have to yield to the
right wing stockholm syndrome on the rich
it's the nature of reality.
i'm a realist. the middle class can't afford a tax increase. the
right wing wont let a tax cut pass unless it includes the ultrarich
you need to grow up
Got news for you dude - the expansion of the debt by this
Administration has placed such an extreme liability on the entire tax
base that everybody is going to be hit with large tax increases.
got news for you dude...it was george bush and henry paulson who first
raised federal spending to about 9% of GDP.
but bush is white...
That
is reality. It might start with the "rich" as you put it, but there
are only so many "rich" to tax.
gee. the right keeps telling us that reducing taxes on the rich will
save teh economy!
funny...when we want to TAX people you say the rich have no money but
when we want to REDUCE taxes you say give it to the rich because
that's where all the money is
care to unwrap your head around this?
Even if you confiscated 90% of their
wealth, it's still not enough to pay for the debt burden initiated by
the Bush Administration and tripled by the Obama Administration - not
even close.
the dems didn't triple the debt. unless you think the deficit is 26%
of GDP.
The tax burden will have to be extended to the Middle Class because,
and this might cause you to have a stroke, that is where most of the
wealth is and is the widest, deepest money pool from which taxes can
be obtained.
gee. isnt that remarkable. and yet the right insists that ALL tax cuts
go to the rich.
wonder why that is?
we can see the reason here expressed by the right. and by people like
sharron angle and sarah palin
they view the middle class as the great unwashed...we should be
slaves...grateful for slave labor wages...killed when convenient by
companies and taxed into submission. we deserve it because god favors
the rich
wel have the right wing here complaining about how lazy the middle
class is...how unemployable...and how only the rich know how to spend
money wisely.
And it will compress the Middle Class beyond recognition
- it's almost there now what with property taxes, excise taxes, sales
why not check the chart about half way down the page here
http://www.tnr.com/blogs/jonathan-chait
see what bush's tax cuts for the wealthy did for the economy
turns out the greatest contribution to the deficit is his tax cuts
taxes, regulatory "fees", dual and sometimes triple and quadruple
income taxes at the state level - stop and consider what you pay
everyday in taxes as a portion of your daily income. I think you
would be surprised.
gee. and yet the right says 50% of the middle class pays no taxes.
you're NOT singing the party line! rush would be VERY disappointed!!
That is reality. The fantasy world of having the "rich" solve the
debt burden crisis isn't one that actually exists.
and yet under clintion when we DID tax the rich we had a budget
SURPLUS.
hmmm...cause and effect?
Finally, I am grown up - and much more of a realist than you are
apparently because I don't hide behind a faux notion of confiscating
wealth as a solution to all our problem.
sure you do. because you right wingers always have. you just say
confiscate it from the middle class.