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On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 10:15:32 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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That's quite a different statement from what you said originally. Sure,
Clinton inspired people to hate. Are you blaming him for it? Seems to me
that the people doing the hating are the ones with the problem.

If anyone is to blame it is the media that poured gasoline on a
smoldering fire. I was just putting a stick in the time line when this
started. Folks on the left don't see it because he was your guy. When
it went the other way your guys went as nuts as the worst "wingnuts"
you were criticizing.

I think you're somewhat right that the media isn't doing their job. Anyone
who takes Fox seriously probably has brain damage. MSNBC is mostly
entertainment, but at least Olbermann doesn't lie.

What? Olberman is just the mirror of Rush. They both have a vein of
truth in their spin but it is mostly spin.
I can't stand more than a minute of either of them.

It's pretty easy to find the many and ongoing lies told by Rush. Feel free
to point out a lie Olbermann told.

I certainly understand people not wanting to listen to either, but you can't
seriously claim that they're similar.


It has swung back the other way now and you think Obama can do no
wrong and the people who are on the other side are nuts.

Not true. He's criticized plenty by Olbermann and many others on the left.
I'm not particularly left wing, except socially.



I haven't heard Olbermann do the "how dare you sir" thing yet and the
same policies are still in effect.

He's come pretty close several times. I think the difference is in the
degree of egregious behavior between the two presidents. He's certainly
disagreed with him and got angry with him more than a few times.

The rhetoric didn't even change much
You have the legitimacy argument
"Bush stole the election" (electoral college deniers)

Which he did by proxy of the Supreme Court. There's little doubt that it
was
a political decision and not a judicial one. Even the language of their
decision say it.

"Obama is allowed to be president" (birthers)

That's just loony tunes. The two are not comparable.


They are both loony tunes, unless you think the SCOTUS is corrupt and
if that is true we are in big trouble.

Neither Obama nor Bush are crazy. Maybe crazy like a fox. SCOTUS made a
major mistake and basically acknowledged as much in their ruling, saying
"this is our decision, but don't use it as precedence." I'm not sure I'd go
so far as to say they're corrupt as a body, but some on the court are
flirting with ethical problems.. Scalia (whom I respect for his intellect)
and Thomas, who's wife is knee deep in right-wing politics. Many
opportunities for a serious conflict of interest.