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On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 22:15:34 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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A lot of people didn't "like" Reagan or Carter but we didn't have
outright hatred.
I am saying that Clinton was the start of the great divide we see now.
You just don't see it because you were not the "out" party at the
time. You don't impeach a president without a significant number of
the American public supporting the measure in the house.
When Chris Mathews invented the Red Blue thing the division just got a
name and the unity of the country went down hill from there.
That's quite a different statement from what you said originally. Sure,
Clinton inspired people to hate. Are you blaming him for it? Seems to me
that the people doing the hating are the ones with the problem.
If anyone is to blame it is the media that poured gasoline on a
smoldering fire. I was just putting a stick in the time line when this
started. Folks on the left don't see it because he was your guy. When
it went the other way your guys went as nuts as the worst "wingnuts"
you were criticizing.
I think you're somewhat right that the media isn't doing their job. Anyone
who takes Fox seriously probably has brain damage. MSNBC is mostly
entertainment, but at least Olbermann doesn't lie.
It has swung back the other way now and you think Obama can do no
wrong and the people who are on the other side are nuts.
Not true. He's criticized plenty by Olbermann and many others on the left.
I'm not particularly left wing, except socially.
The rhetoric didn't even change much
You have the legitimacy argument
"Bush stole the election" (electoral college deniers)
Which he did by proxy of the Supreme Court. There's little doubt that it was
a political decision and not a judicial one. Even the language of their
decision say it.
"Obama is allowed to be president" (birthers)
That's just loony tunes. The two are not comparable.
If you actually look at policy, not much changed since Bush 1.
Big business is still calling the shots.The wars go on and we are
going broke because of it.