"bundling snowfalls" wrote in message
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On 1/07/2010 3:55 PM, bundling snowfalls wrote:
On 1/07/2010 3:53 PM, bundling snowfalls wrote:
On 1/07/2010 3:50 PM, Dutch wrote:

"bundling snowfalls" wrote in message
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On 1/07/2010 6:46 AM, Dutch wrote:

"bundling snowfalls" wrote in message
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On 1/07/2010 5:39 AM, zenworm wrote:
On Jun 30, 2:34 pm, bundling wrote:
On 1/07/2010 2:29 AM, oxtail wrote:





bundling snowfalls wrote:

On 1/07/2010 2:04 AM, oxtail wrote:
bundling snowfalls wrote:

On 1/07/2010 1:56 AM, oxtail wrote:
Fred C. Dobbs wrote:

A benefit is something that improves the welfare of an
entity.
Prior to its existence, there is no entity and thus no
welfare, so
coming into existence cannot improve an entity's welfare.

We do not "give the gift of life" to livestock animals by
breeding
them into existence; we do not do them any "favor". We
facilitate
their existence, but that existence is not a gift or
benefit to
them. No matter how pleasant their lives might be once
they do
exist, existence itself is not a benefit to them.

No harm would be inflicted on any animals if, suddenly and
for
whatever reason, we were to stop breeding livestock animals
into
existence. The fact that "billions of farm animals" would
thereby
never exist would have no moral meaning to any animals.
There
would
not be any lack of consideration shown.

If you are not smart enough
to be concerned about the welfare
of sentient beings to be born in the future, you have no
business to
worry
about what other people do or think.

of course the welfare matters you idiot. it's about the
existence of
them in future. in particular, existence being bred for meat.

grow up you guys, that's about enough.

You are not getting it.
This is about how to think well
and whether life is sacred.

just a period of pain on earth.

But necessary to be enlightened.

the unborn don't give a flying ****.


for the birds?

^~

i'm a good aim with a rifle and
i shot a bird on my best friends
farm one day, glad i did it. i
see how superficial the joy i
was having was compared to the
life i took, or just winged it?
there was no joy anymore for me.

Some guys live for that feeling, different strokes I guess.


well put it this way, it's better
than killing other human folks.

Depends on the human folks. I can think of a few that could stand a
killin'.


i've had to make the choice and
luckily, fate intervened before
i had to, but it was very hard.

cuz he was a close friend.

i should explain. i'm not a psychopath.
they were involved in underground deals
i talked them out of it, but then they
were getting more serious and starting
to be a threat to others.. themselves.

That's OK, I figured there was a back story but I don't really need to know
about it.