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On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:54:54 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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Half a boat length of chain is the recommended
minimum. Most serious
cruisers are using all chain (with a snubber) for a
variety of good
reasons.

Did you get a copy of Chapman's yet ? You'll learn a
lot from it and
get more details than anyone here can provide:

http://www.amazon.com/Chapman-Piloti...Small-Handling


Yes, have a copy though not the latest. So, a 40' boat
would have at least
20 feet. Seems like with all chain that could get
pretty heavy if you need
to get it out without a windlass... Seems like picking
a good place with
(among other things) less likelihood of coral would
mean you wouldn't need
to have as much use for all chain.


There are a number of ways to pull a heavy anchor and
chain without a
windlass, but a windlass is certainly the preferred way
of doing it.
Most serious cruisers prefer all chain simply because it
provides more
security when anchoring, and when you are living on your
boat in
remote places, that counts for a lot. Chain sets faster
because the
catenary effect reduces the angle of pull on the anchor.
Chain offers
a great deal of protection from accidental or intentional
cuts/abrasion. Chain has a very high ultimate breaking
strength,
etc., etc.

99 out of 100 international/offshore cruising boats
can't be all
wrong. Get the big anchor, get the chain, and get the
windlass
unless you intend to spend all of your time in a marina.

Interesting... I'd like to know how you would go about
raising an anchor with all that chain by hand? I didn't
read anything like that so far. You can't put the chain
on a regular winch right? So, I was thinking you would
have to sail up to just above the anchor, but that's
still a lot of chain/anchor.

Not saying the cruisers are wrong... obviously they're
right. I'm just wondering how they do it, esp. in the
case of mechanism failure. That's the point of being a
sailor.. dealing with adversity, etc.


If the windlass fails, you cut and run. I'll bet there
are tens of thousands of anchors on the bottom of the
ocean that were stuck and the Captain had no other choice.

Really? How much does 100' of chain and a big anchor cost?
You're going to leave it? Sounds pretty stupid to me, but
you don't own a boat, right? So, you wouldn't even have a
clue.
Unlike you, I do own a boat - my fourth actually. What does
the cost of the anchor and it's rode have to do with it? If
you can't recover it you don't call AAA and fix your makeup
while you wait for them. It only "sounds" stupid to you
because you _are_ stupid.

Unlike you, I'm not a moron. Looking at the West Marine
website, an anchor for a 40' boat costs about $400 plus 100'
of chain at $5/ft is $500. So, that's nearly $1000 you, the
moron, is willing to leave on the bottom. I guess stupid is
as stupid does.


So your plan it to dive it and release it by hand? The loss
is a small price to pay.

How about disconnecting the chain, attaching a light line to it
that is long enough to reach the surface, and have a small
float on the end. Then, take your handy, dandy GPS and mark the
spot. Go into a dock, get some help from the locals, and
retrieve your anchor. What's the worst case... someone steals
it? You can't find it again? Nobody is willing to help?


Sure. That happens everyday.

Why don't you start an anchor retrieval business?
She would have to give us shares of the business. After all we
did show her the "ropes".


In your case, it would be (rope-a-)dope.


Dumb. Did Don write that for you?

Wish I could take credit... that was quite witty and 'bang-on', as
y'all like to say.
It was stupid and no one I know say's "bang-on", bozo.

yeah...I forgot, you're from Floriduh.
I'm not from Florida, Don. I've flown to Canada in less than two hours.