"Jack" wrote in message
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On Apr 20, 1:48 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Jack" wrote in message

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On Apr 17, 9:04 pm, "mmc" wrote:





Odd, how the government is basically dumping NASA saying private
industry
can do it better and cheaper. But government can do healthcare better
and
cheaper. Just seems odd.

All NASA does these days is administer contracts. The current shuttle
design
has been in service for damn near 30 years with a planned lifespan
something
like 20 years and a goal of a low cost delivery system to near earth
orbit.
It has proven to be the most expensive delivery system available and is
more
sensitive than a teenage girl. And more dangerous. NASA has had 30 years
to
come up with a replacement and has fallen on it's collective ass.
A good friend and former Air Force Commander once told me that "the
current
NASA generation couldn't put a man on the moon to save thier lives and
we're
spending $4 billion a year (mid 90s, 8 launches @ $500 million per) to
light
fires in an oxygen rich environment and watch rats f*ck".
Check out a crew list. Aside from the pilots, you'll see a gaggle of
people
who have no friggin clue as to what they're supposed to be doing up
there,
that's why they go thru so much training. If you really wanted to get
the
job done, NASA would send Navy mud divers instead of engineers and
school
teachers. Divers already know how to work in a weightless environment,
they
know life support systems and how to work with tools
NASA, like FEMA have become stagnent social programs that cannot perform
thier missions. Flush them and start over.

You're wrong on so many levels. Case in point: I get a Tech Brief
industry rag that outlines the many science advances and breakthroughs
that come from the NASA Jet Propulsion Labs and other NASA research
facilities every couple of months. These are the same people that
brought us semiconductors, IC's, and so many other technology advances
that it's not easily comprehended by most. Shut them down?

Of course your Air Force friend will run down NASA... he'll do the
same to other branches of the military besides the AF and anyone else
he's been brainwashed into thinking isn't as good as the AF. It's in
the training... if it's not AF, it's crap. He isn't really holding up
the AF as the model of effiency, is he? And what the hell would Navy
divers do up there? I guess they can take the space walks and perform
maintenance, while the rest do the *research* that the divers sure
can't handle.

But now you want to shoot that whole NASA industry in the head and let
Rutan and others do it? They'll only do what make commercial sense
for them, and the research part will stagnate. Not good for America.

Flying into space on Russian craft while we take down the US flag at
*relief* efforts in Haiti? Are you freakin kidding me? Obama and
company have lost their minds.

Reply: And, yet, it's complete bs that NASA's work is ending or even being
scaled back. They're getting an increase in funding, plus additional jobs.

Reply: get a real news reader.

The real scoop is that NASA's "work", which is putting Americans into
orbit or beyond, is ending by edict of your boy.

The increase in funding is to cover the fact that the Russians aren't
going to let us fly for free, nor are the US private ventures that are
*supposed* to materialize later. Fact is, once you put in place a
layer of management to handle the foreign or domestic contracts, the
QA that has to be done with anything outside NASA, and all the
management of this extra layer of BS, the extra funding and supposed
cost savings will vanish, especially if you want to argue that the
NASA reseach ROI will remain the same.

Meanwhile, jobs gained? No reliable news source is claiming more than
1700 jobs gains, while the same sources say +7000 jobs LOST. Put new
batteries in your calculator.

Spin it again, bitch.


Reply: You're a jerk. Don't hurt yourself in "private."

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