"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"nom=de=plume" wrote in message
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"Frogwatch" wrote in message
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On Apr 14, 3:36 pm, hk wrote:
On 4/14/10 3:25 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:
My friend is trying to convince me to go halfs with him on a boat...
he's
talking about either an Island Packet, which I've seen before, or
possibly a
Valiant, which I haven't seen. The "plan" that we've been talking
about is
getting something in the mid- to low-40 foot range, berthing it on the
bay
(probably Sausalito, assuming we could find a suitable place), and
then
taking it down to Mexico a year from next October (which is the
supposed
"weather window" for travelling south). The approximate cost for each
of us
would be in the $150K to $200K range, perhaps some wiggle room,
depending
upon how new the boat would be and what needs to get retrofitted.
My friend wants to get something made in the US... I guess it's easier
to
have it Federally registered. And, we both like the idea of buying
American
if possible.
Right now, there's another couple that would be putting in sweat and
time
equity (but limited cash), so that would give us a crew of four for
Mexico.
I'm probably the most junior as far as sailing experience goes... just
the
Hobie 18 in my distant past. I'd probably take some classes with Sal,
because we could probably both use a refresher.
We're thinking if we get the boat in the next couple of months, so
we'd have
a good long time to get really familiar with how it sails and how we
sail
together (we've sailed locally a few times with no conflicts). The
guys are
best buddies, so that's not an issue.
So, we're going to meet up at the sail show and see what looks
interesting.
I mentioned Catalina, since I've heard the name, but apparently
they're not
quite up to the same quality standards. Is there another US-built make
in
the same class as the IP or Val? Anything else a relative novice
should
consider beyond the interpersonal/relationship stuff (we're all pretty
compatible... travelled with each other lots... and we're all pretty
independent). My main concern is can I pull my own weight on the boat,
but I
guess most of that can be figured out in sailing classes and sailing
on
whatever we get).
The older Tartans, Pacific Seacrafts, et cetera.
--http://tinyurl.com/ykxp2ym
I am not sure Valiants are still being made. How about Mason?
Morgan is good (not the Outisland series) but maybe not as good as
IP. Pearson is about in line with Morgan. Cal is supposed to be
good. S2 are good and they did make a 36
No Catalina, no Hunter, No Irwin, no Macgregor, no O'Day,
Only a year to refit a boat that size, only if you are willing to pay
a lot and it is newer.
Thanks for the list... it would definitely be newer vs. older, but I
don't think brand new. Still, a couple of years old if it's a good
quality boat seems like it shouldn't have too many problems. I don't know
what equipment we would need to add... radar maybe? Not even sure that's
needed. Mason sounds interesting. Are Cals being made?
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Nom=de=Plume
A partnership destined to end in hell. Not necessarily because of the
partners, but because they do not know what they want or are getting in
to. Join one of the San Francisco Bay yacht clubs. There are a bunch, and
some are very reasonable. The St. Francis and Corinthian does not do not
meet that requirement. The sailors are always looking for a crew. You
will need a crew for most large sailboats. My Father in Law was a
founding member of the Richmond Yacht Club. Do not know what their costs
are. Waiting list for berths, so that does not help. He partnered for a
while, but eventually bought out the partner. He sold his Bermuda 32 as
being ketch rigged, was not easy to sail single handed. He ended up with
an Islander 30 Mk II. Nice boat, good single handed and 25 years ago,
there was a large group of I-30 class racers. You have no idea what a
large boat requires, so get some education. $200k will buy an extremely
nice boat these days. Way more than you even need to sail to The Coral
Marina in Ensenada. Or to Hawaii. Sausalito was $400 to berth 50 years
ago for a Hurricane 32, do not know what the cost is now. Oakland Estuary
has lots of resonable berths. Look at Associates membership.
Bill, thanks for the comments. We're well aware of the costs of ownership
(as much as anyone can). Jay's owned several boats, as have the others, so
they have a pretty firm idea of the costs. That's why we're looking at newer
vs. older. That's the least of our concern at this point. We've been talking
about this and the others especially have been doing much research. I do
like the idea of more than one hull... from my Hobie days... I'm sure
they're more stable than my Hobie, esp. the bigger ones. We've only talked
about catamarans, but I'd think that the same slip issues come up with three
hulls. We don't really want to haul a boat around, and I for sure don't want
to do any serious driving with one in tow in Mexico. I know it might be
overblown, but I just don't think it's safe any more.
We both think that the partnership is the biggest part of the deal,
certainly. Everyone, literally, has said to beware. It's absolutely
something to think about, and we've had the "talk" about it more than a
dozen times. Probably, we'll do that quite a bit more. I think we both think
the relationship is pretty solid at this point (about five years). He even
gets along with my ex., which is fairly amazing, since hardly anyone does
that.
Definitely no way we could afford the St. Francis or (I suppose the
Corinthian - don't know much about it). We're not much into "joining"
anyway. I don't really see the advantage of joining a club, except perhaps
for the social aspect, but since I'm living a fair distance from the bay, it
wouldn't really make much sense. If I go down there, it's either business or
pleasure.. not to sit and talk to relative strangers (get enough of that
here!).
As to cost of the boat, the good news is that brokers (and the general
selling public) are getting pushed to lower prices, so we'll potentially
save lots of money. I'm still thinking $300K is the sweet spot (financially
vs. quality of boat). That's one reason why we're going to the sail show...
see what's going on, etc. Apparently, there are used boats for sale at it
this year. No, we're not buying this week.
Oakland is possibility if we get desperate for space. It would be a slight
hassle for Jay/Sal/Brian... doesn't matter for me.
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Nom=de=Plume