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hk wrote:
On 4/13/10 10:08 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 17:26:25 -0400,
wrote:

Those close to release can be taken out to Habitat for Humanity and
similar projects, where no pay is involved. That'll help integrate
them
back into society.

he problem is that in a trade, learning is doing. They have to have a
place to work

There's plenty of handyman work available within prisons and, as I
stated, out on non-pay jobs like those of Habitat.

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A handy man job is not really going to count towards a trade
apprenticeship and in real life there is no shortage of labor to do
all the work that needs to be done inside the wire. That is why they
can come up with journeymen electricians to do the most trivial jobs.
The will have 5 or 6 inmates working on a job that would only rate 2
on a union job and one anywhere else.,
You have the same problem with habitat as you have with working in the
parks. The real trades do not want that competition.

BTW talking about Habitat, that is mostly a joke anyway. My wife built
several habitat houses in Bonita for Centex. The process was, they had
a gang of volunteers come in on the weekend with the TV crews and the
politicians. Then on Monday her regular paid crews would come in, rip
it all out and build the house back right. It was seldom that anything
was really done right by the volunteers. Part of the problem is we had
northern volunteers came down and did things like they used to up
north 20 years ago, not how it is required to be done under our codes
(or even the current code up north). Most builders up north don't
understand how you have to build a 130 MPH wind code rated house
I ran into a lot of that with the volunteers in the park system too.
We were on the 1996 code and these guys stopped learning sometime
around the 68 code.

You're trying to build universal truths out of anecdotes. My father in
law works on Habitat houses, from pouring slabs to putting shingles on
roofs and sodding lawns. His experiences are different from the ones you
are relating.

He must be in much better shape than you, to be able to do those jobs.